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<blockquote data-quote="KNERSIE" data-source="post: 657993" data-attributes="member: 4353"><p>I live where the sun pretty much SHINES! all the time and neither sunburned udders nor cancer eye is a problem here. Don't know how much glare from snow would affect unpigmented teats as I don't have a snow problem here, but I look at enough cattle to know that herefords certainly aren't the only breed with unpigmented udders in general.</p><p></p><p>Cancer eye has got as much to do with eyeset as it has with pigment, the breed I have seen the most cases of cancer eye is jerseys and they have black pigment around the eyes, but they typically have bulging bug eyes.</p><p></p><p>Pigment can be achieved on the teats and most of my cows have some pigment on the teats, but fixing that into your herd is easier said than done. There is supposed to be a correlation between scrotal pigment and teat pigment so other than always using bulls with pigmented scrotums I don't know how you're really going to select for pigmented teats. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In Nesikep's commercial operation I'd say he was smart enough to know how much is still acceptable without affecting longevity. In a seedstock operation I wouldn't have tolerated it as I don't want to show a potential bull buyer the dam of the bull he is interested in and then having to explain why she is cowhocked. The same goes for udders, a good functional no maintenance udder is a good functional no maintenance udder, once you cross over that point its just a beauty contest. Maybe my minimum standards are higher than most others, I certainly don't have a single bad udder in either the commercial or registered herd and haven't milked out a single cow because the calf couldn't nurse nor will I ever keep a cow that needs help calving or getting the calf to nurse.</p><p></p><p>I just get the impression that if you (not referring to anyone specific here) lack the eye to select for the complete package for soundness, production and longevity its easy to focus on a relatively simple thing like udders and take that to the extreme. The hard fact is that a perfect udder don't mean anything if the cow's legs or feet gave in or she comes up open or gets cancer eye before she has reached the end of her expected productive life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KNERSIE, post: 657993, member: 4353"] I live where the sun pretty much SHINES! all the time and neither sunburned udders nor cancer eye is a problem here. Don't know how much glare from snow would affect unpigmented teats as I don't have a snow problem here, but I look at enough cattle to know that herefords certainly aren't the only breed with unpigmented udders in general. Cancer eye has got as much to do with eyeset as it has with pigment, the breed I have seen the most cases of cancer eye is jerseys and they have black pigment around the eyes, but they typically have bulging bug eyes. Pigment can be achieved on the teats and most of my cows have some pigment on the teats, but fixing that into your herd is easier said than done. There is supposed to be a correlation between scrotal pigment and teat pigment so other than always using bulls with pigmented scrotums I don't know how you're really going to select for pigmented teats. In Nesikep's commercial operation I'd say he was smart enough to know how much is still acceptable without affecting longevity. In a seedstock operation I wouldn't have tolerated it as I don't want to show a potential bull buyer the dam of the bull he is interested in and then having to explain why she is cowhocked. The same goes for udders, a good functional no maintenance udder is a good functional no maintenance udder, once you cross over that point its just a beauty contest. Maybe my minimum standards are higher than most others, I certainly don't have a single bad udder in either the commercial or registered herd and haven't milked out a single cow because the calf couldn't nurse nor will I ever keep a cow that needs help calving or getting the calf to nurse. I just get the impression that if you (not referring to anyone specific here) lack the eye to select for the complete package for soundness, production and longevity its easy to focus on a relatively simple thing like udders and take that to the extreme. The hard fact is that a perfect udder don't mean anything if the cow's legs or feet gave in or she comes up open or gets cancer eye before she has reached the end of her expected productive life. [/QUOTE]
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