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<blockquote data-quote="DOC HARRIS" data-source="post: 203447" data-attributes="member: 1683"><p>ENNOT - and all the other posters on this thread - I have no desire to "beat up on you!" I think you are correct in your hypothesis about 'Balanced Traits", and I have propounded that premise throughout all of our discussions concerning EPD's.</p><p></p><p>I took the time this afternoon to re-read ALL the posts on this thread, and after I read them - -I shook my head a few times and said to myself, "Self, I think there is a glitch in the supposed "FACTS" of this discussion! </p><p></p><p>In my zeal to make a point about eight or nine posts back, I think that I did not do a very good job of explaining myself. That said, - let's start over at the top. heymaker stated that his bull's EPDs were as follows: BW- -0.7, WW +42.3 WW +87.0 and MILK +.76. haymaker was asked to check his MILK # because it was thought that a mistake was made by confusing the MILK epd with the ACCURACY figure. haymaker replied that the MILK # was 7.6 (Seven Point Six) and NOT .76 (Point Seven Six). Are we all up to speed so far?</p><p></p><p>From here on the discussion seems to have been skewed in meaning somewhat. In my post I attempted to point out that the average EPD's of the cow HERD should be considered in determining whether the bull's MILK epd was adequate.</p><p></p><p>There is a general consensus of opinion that many of the MILK EPD's are reaching numbers which are TOO high - 30 - to as high as 40 or more! Please understand that a MILK EPD of, for example, -"00" does NOT indicate that the cow will give NO milk!! Nor does a MILK EPD of "40" mean that she will give enough milk that you can use her as a dairy cow! It is a predictor of a sire's genetic merit for milk and mothering ability as expressed in POUNDS OF CALF WEANED BY HIS DAUGHTERS - <em><u>compared</u></em> to daughters of other sires! </p><p></p><p>Does it not follow then that getting MILK epd's HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER isn't practicing MODERATION? Milk EPD numbers of 15 - 24 seems to be a pretty moderate goal to me, depending upon the numbers of the MATE of the individual under discussion. (Bull OR Cow).</p><p></p><p>Haymaker, would you please try to get the registration number and name of the bull and post it here? I think that would resolve a lot of misunderstanding and controversy which exists here. Thank you.</p><p></p><p>DOC HARRIS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DOC HARRIS, post: 203447, member: 1683"] ENNOT - and all the other posters on this thread - I have no desire to "beat up on you!" I think you are correct in your hypothesis about 'Balanced Traits", and I have propounded that premise throughout all of our discussions concerning EPD's. I took the time this afternoon to re-read ALL the posts on this thread, and after I read them - -I shook my head a few times and said to myself, "Self, I think there is a glitch in the supposed "FACTS" of this discussion! In my zeal to make a point about eight or nine posts back, I think that I did not do a very good job of explaining myself. That said, - let's start over at the top. heymaker stated that his bull's EPDs were as follows: BW- -0.7, WW +42.3 WW +87.0 and MILK +.76. haymaker was asked to check his MILK # because it was thought that a mistake was made by confusing the MILK epd with the ACCURACY figure. haymaker replied that the MILK # was 7.6 (Seven Point Six) and NOT .76 (Point Seven Six). Are we all up to speed so far? From here on the discussion seems to have been skewed in meaning somewhat. In my post I attempted to point out that the average EPD's of the cow HERD should be considered in determining whether the bull's MILK epd was adequate. There is a general consensus of opinion that many of the MILK EPD's are reaching numbers which are TOO high - 30 - to as high as 40 or more! Please understand that a MILK EPD of, for example, -"00" does NOT indicate that the cow will give NO milk!! Nor does a MILK EPD of "40" mean that she will give enough milk that you can use her as a dairy cow! It is a predictor of a sire's genetic merit for milk and mothering ability as expressed in POUNDS OF CALF WEANED BY HIS DAUGHTERS - [i][u]compared[/u][/i] to daughters of other sires! Does it not follow then that getting MILK epd's HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER isn't practicing MODERATION? Milk EPD numbers of 15 - 24 seems to be a pretty moderate goal to me, depending upon the numbers of the MATE of the individual under discussion. (Bull OR Cow). Haymaker, would you please try to get the registration number and name of the bull and post it here? I think that would resolve a lot of misunderstanding and controversy which exists here. Thank you. DOC HARRIS [/QUOTE]
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