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<blockquote data-quote="texhallMT" data-source="post: 66763" data-attributes="member: 1232"><p>jerry27150,</p><p> You hit one point I made right before your post: what the 'best' bull is different for different people/different herds. If your buyers dock limis, it's because they want something else for their market. <strong>Jeanne - Simme Valley</strong> made that point pretty clearly. Since I'm new in this business, I sit with the buyers at the sale barns and ask what they're looking for: what's good/bad about what's in the ring; what do <u>their </u>customers want; what can I do for my cattle to help them (the buyers) meet their demands. Those types of things are some of the evaluation criteria for my decisions. </p><p> In my case, a Limi cross bull will help me at this point with most of my cattle (still have a half a red Limousin with my Mother-In-Law,<em> don't ask which half is mine </em>for the other part of the herd. But I've got a few Main/Angus crosses as well as some other larger cows. A Limousin bull will give me the length that they want, and will tone down some of that muscle/size that comes from them and some of my beefmaster crosses. Granted I run a little bigger cows than others around this area seem to do. But until I can start marketing straight to the consumer with my beef, I'll try my best to get the buyers what they want. Sounds like you do so as well if you're avoiding Limosin there since they get docked. </p><p> I happen to kind of like what Herefords can do in spite of some of their past problems. But they seem to get docked here if there's more than about an 1/8th to a 1/4. Guess what these folks seem to want from them is the white face :0 </p><p> It would be interesting to hear from some of the cattle buyers in different parts of the country to learn what they want now and where they see the demand going in the future. </p><p> I believe it was <strong>POLLED BULL</strong> that mentioned the 'Heterosis and hybrid vigor' you get from crosses. And then he cited a source for us to read and get some education on that (facts, in that decision making process thing that I like). The pure breed folks have other criteria for their breeds and lines and where they're taking things. Yup, some definite facts. But NOT RELEVANT in the decision for a new bull for those of us with crossbreeds. Although you might find that a purebred bull will work for you IF the initial investment costs will get you the return you need to pay for him.</p><p> When we think oustide of the fence rows and get away from the way it's always been done we do take some risks. But we also have the opportunity to increase our bottom lines. And we need to track some of the "why's" in our decisions so that we can make changes as needed.</p><p> Some great discussion going on in here over a simple question! Who started this mess anyway :lol:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="texhallMT, post: 66763, member: 1232"] jerry27150, You hit one point I made right before your post: what the 'best' bull is different for different people/different herds. If your buyers dock limis, it's because they want something else for their market. [b]Jeanne - Simme Valley[/b] made that point pretty clearly. Since I'm new in this business, I sit with the buyers at the sale barns and ask what they're looking for: what's good/bad about what's in the ring; what do [u]their [/u]customers want; what can I do for my cattle to help them (the buyers) meet their demands. Those types of things are some of the evaluation criteria for my decisions. In my case, a Limi cross bull will help me at this point with most of my cattle (still have a half a red Limousin with my Mother-In-Law,[i] don't ask which half is mine [/i]for the other part of the herd. But I've got a few Main/Angus crosses as well as some other larger cows. A Limousin bull will give me the length that they want, and will tone down some of that muscle/size that comes from them and some of my beefmaster crosses. Granted I run a little bigger cows than others around this area seem to do. But until I can start marketing straight to the consumer with my beef, I'll try my best to get the buyers what they want. Sounds like you do so as well if you're avoiding Limosin there since they get docked. I happen to kind of like what Herefords can do in spite of some of their past problems. But they seem to get docked here if there's more than about an 1/8th to a 1/4. Guess what these folks seem to want from them is the white face :0 It would be interesting to hear from some of the cattle buyers in different parts of the country to learn what they want now and where they see the demand going in the future. I believe it was [b]POLLED BULL[/b] that mentioned the 'Heterosis and hybrid vigor' you get from crosses. And then he cited a source for us to read and get some education on that (facts, in that decision making process thing that I like). The pure breed folks have other criteria for their breeds and lines and where they're taking things. Yup, some definite facts. But NOT RELEVANT in the decision for a new bull for those of us with crossbreeds. Although you might find that a purebred bull will work for you IF the initial investment costs will get you the return you need to pay for him. When we think oustide of the fence rows and get away from the way it's always been done we do take some risks. But we also have the opportunity to increase our bottom lines. And we need to track some of the "why's" in our decisions so that we can make changes as needed. Some great discussion going on in here over a simple question! Who started this mess anyway :lol: [/QUOTE]
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