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<blockquote data-quote="3legdonkey" data-source="post: 856283" data-attributes="member: 17061"><p>I forgot to comment on these items as you are giving me the best infomration of anyone so far and I do not want you to think I have discounted anything you have said.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have very few neighbors as I am in the middle of the Mark Twain National forest, but you are right anyway as we do get a number of stray dogs people have abandoned each year. I believe I have the mineral and yearly personal property taxes covered.</p><p></p><p> I was assuming this is covered by the 90% figure. Do I need to lower that figure?</p><p></p><p>Missouri is a bangs free state but I am getting them vaccinated anyway. The trich issue has me spooked and I have decided to only bring heifers or young bulls into my herd that have been tested. Looks like there is not a thing I can do about neospora until they come out with a vaccine?</p><p></p><p>I have the facilities already though my head chute is old and I may replace it. I have minimal fence needs as I just let then free roam. The few fence needs I have my cost is materials as fixing fence is part of my tenants rent.</p><p></p><p>So that one is an interesting subject. I bought all of may cattle as young heifers and so paid very little for them. When one needs to be replaced I plan to do the same. In fact, after thinking about your statement for a bit I think I need to buy a few young heifers every few years so I always have one or two ready to replace my base herd. The cost of each animal is not lost unless it dies. After it has served most of its useful life I will then sell it and replace it with the proceeds for the sale. So there is certainly an opportunity cost for the money but my risk of losing the money is pretty small. And if you compare it to the stock market I would say it is insignificant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is same advice my partner gave me (he was a dairyman for 30 years). Is his job to figure out who is a producer and who is not so we can cull out the slackers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In 40 years I only remember one drought where we had an issue. My grandfather stuck a pump in the river and irrigated two fields once every week for a month. It pulled him through until it rained. The river did not run dry, all the springs kept running, so I am not sure it is as big of a concern in my location as it is in yours (TX?).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe that on this point you and I disagree. As the world population increases and as the cost of fuel rises the cost of all food has no choice to increase. More importantly the cost of meat as it sits at the top of the food chain and thus costs the most to produce. Our current prices in the US are actually considerably under what food costs in most other countries due to the abundance that we have. There are a few other countries in our same position like Canada, Australia and a few of our South American neighbors. But in general, the rest of the world is very hungry, and quite envious of our quantity of food a such low prices. I will entirely skip an number of other factors that will also drive the cost of food up over time as many might not believe in them. In short the price will gradually rise over time through we will certainly see ups and downs along that rise.</p><p></p><p>Thank you for your comments and please keep them coming as learning from others is the best way to reduce the number of mistakes one needs to make on their own... Big grin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="3legdonkey, post: 856283, member: 17061"] I forgot to comment on these items as you are giving me the best infomration of anyone so far and I do not want you to think I have discounted anything you have said. I have very few neighbors as I am in the middle of the Mark Twain National forest, but you are right anyway as we do get a number of stray dogs people have abandoned each year. I believe I have the mineral and yearly personal property taxes covered. I was assuming this is covered by the 90% figure. Do I need to lower that figure? Missouri is a bangs free state but I am getting them vaccinated anyway. The trich issue has me spooked and I have decided to only bring heifers or young bulls into my herd that have been tested. Looks like there is not a thing I can do about neospora until they come out with a vaccine? I have the facilities already though my head chute is old and I may replace it. I have minimal fence needs as I just let then free roam. The few fence needs I have my cost is materials as fixing fence is part of my tenants rent. So that one is an interesting subject. I bought all of may cattle as young heifers and so paid very little for them. When one needs to be replaced I plan to do the same. In fact, after thinking about your statement for a bit I think I need to buy a few young heifers every few years so I always have one or two ready to replace my base herd. The cost of each animal is not lost unless it dies. After it has served most of its useful life I will then sell it and replace it with the proceeds for the sale. So there is certainly an opportunity cost for the money but my risk of losing the money is pretty small. And if you compare it to the stock market I would say it is insignificant. Is same advice my partner gave me (he was a dairyman for 30 years). Is his job to figure out who is a producer and who is not so we can cull out the slackers. In 40 years I only remember one drought where we had an issue. My grandfather stuck a pump in the river and irrigated two fields once every week for a month. It pulled him through until it rained. The river did not run dry, all the springs kept running, so I am not sure it is as big of a concern in my location as it is in yours (TX?). I believe that on this point you and I disagree. As the world population increases and as the cost of fuel rises the cost of all food has no choice to increase. More importantly the cost of meat as it sits at the top of the food chain and thus costs the most to produce. Our current prices in the US are actually considerably under what food costs in most other countries due to the abundance that we have. There are a few other countries in our same position like Canada, Australia and a few of our South American neighbors. But in general, the rest of the world is very hungry, and quite envious of our quantity of food a such low prices. I will entirely skip an number of other factors that will also drive the cost of food up over time as many might not believe in them. In short the price will gradually rise over time through we will certainly see ups and downs along that rise. Thank you for your comments and please keep them coming as learning from others is the best way to reduce the number of mistakes one needs to make on their own... Big grin. [/QUOTE]
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