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<blockquote data-quote="RafterD" data-source="post: 594277" data-attributes="member: 8951"><p>RD_Sam:</p><p></p><p>You are right. Ambush's granddam is a Ruby of Tiffany who was out of 036. Thanks for catching that. I do think he EPD's are freakishly good but I also agree with you that it is his phenotype and Bill Rishel's long term ability to breed great maternal traits in very nicely performing bulls that is the main reason why you should breed to him, not his EPD's. The EPD's are a bonus. In this area, it is hard for me to sell a good bull without mostly top 10% EPD's to my commercial customers. They understand them and understand how that they have positively affected their bottom line. However, it was the chase for excellent EPD's that has caused some of the excessive Precision breeding to begin with in my opinion. Precision has done a lot for the breed and I still like some bulls like Retail Product but with many of the new bulls including Future Direction, I was struggling with calves being pinched in the flank and their cows not easy fleshing as well as some disposition issues with some lines particularly related to Load Up.</p><p></p><p>I was looking over the preliminary list of carrier bulls today and it seems to me that many that I consider to not pass on great disposition are also carriers. I am sure that this is coincidental, but interesting none the less.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RafterD, post: 594277, member: 8951"] RD_Sam: You are right. Ambush's granddam is a Ruby of Tiffany who was out of 036. Thanks for catching that. I do think he EPD's are freakishly good but I also agree with you that it is his phenotype and Bill Rishel's long term ability to breed great maternal traits in very nicely performing bulls that is the main reason why you should breed to him, not his EPD's. The EPD's are a bonus. In this area, it is hard for me to sell a good bull without mostly top 10% EPD's to my commercial customers. They understand them and understand how that they have positively affected their bottom line. However, it was the chase for excellent EPD's that has caused some of the excessive Precision breeding to begin with in my opinion. Precision has done a lot for the breed and I still like some bulls like Retail Product but with many of the new bulls including Future Direction, I was struggling with calves being pinched in the flank and their cows not easy fleshing as well as some disposition issues with some lines particularly related to Load Up. I was looking over the preliminary list of carrier bulls today and it seems to me that many that I consider to not pass on great disposition are also carriers. I am sure that this is coincidental, but interesting none the less. [/QUOTE]
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