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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 889295" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>YMMV, but I bred all my virgin Angus heifers and a few mature cows (3/4AN-1/4SM) to Mandate, last year, for this fall's calves; at the time he had one of the highest WW epds in the breed, and we were looking to increase 'pounds across the scale'. With the exception of one heifer calf, all 15-20 or so of them look like crap - steers and heifers alike. </p><p>Granted, I expect less performance out of a first-calf heifer's calf, but these things are pretty sorry - even the ones out of mature cows. Short, short-coupled little things with no 'grow'. Unless they make some sort of revolutionary improvement between now and weaning, there won't be any of those genetics staying around, and I'll likely be disappointed with the prices the steers will command.</p><p>Calves sired by the cleanup bull are much better.</p><p></p><p>You're looking to increase milk? Have a look at CC&7; what's he up to now, +53?</p><p>But, be aware, MILK is not a maternal trait, it's a performance trait - and comes with a significant energy requirement - his $EN is -$46.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 889295, member: 12607"] YMMV, but I bred all my virgin Angus heifers and a few mature cows (3/4AN-1/4SM) to Mandate, last year, for this fall's calves; at the time he had one of the highest WW epds in the breed, and we were looking to increase 'pounds across the scale'. With the exception of one heifer calf, all 15-20 or so of them look like crap - steers and heifers alike. Granted, I expect less performance out of a first-calf heifer's calf, but these things are pretty sorry - even the ones out of mature cows. Short, short-coupled little things with no 'grow'. Unless they make some sort of revolutionary improvement between now and weaning, there won't be any of those genetics staying around, and I'll likely be disappointed with the prices the steers will command. Calves sired by the cleanup bull are much better. You're looking to increase milk? Have a look at CC&7; what's he up to now, +53? But, be aware, MILK is not a maternal trait, it's a performance trait - and comes with a significant energy requirement - his $EN is -$46. [/QUOTE]
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