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<blockquote data-quote="Amo" data-source="post: 1787194" data-attributes="member: 14857"><p>* I cant get the quote thing to work.</p><p></p><p>Carcass traits are some of the most heritable. If you like EPDs, you ignore the actual data. If you believe that EPDs are the average expected rather than the actual measurements then you go with measured data.</p><p></p><p>I see. I thought it was the other way around. </p><p></p><p></p><p>For commercial cow/calf operators #1 influence on Net Profit is pounds weaned per cow exposed. Fertility, live calf (ce & bw) calf vigor, weaning weight, $W.</p><p></p><p>Agreed. Yet at the same time, thats kinda like single trait selection IMHO. You have to fit your environment, but at the same time I feel you have to look out for the next guy too. Granted yes, they are buying off phenotype and pounds. Yes, EPD's on a yearling need to get proven. Most everything I look at has been 50K'd. I don't think that does a lot to carcass data. I know a guy who sells his cattle as fats. He doesn't buy a bull unless the marbling EPD (Angus bulls) is a +1.0 minimum because thats what his buyer told him to look for. Maybe he needed some help in that area, but that sounds awfully high IMHO. Carcass isn't top priority for me. Trying to maintain the sweet spot between production and fleshing ability for my environment is top. Mainly try to stay away from high milk, yet good WW & YW numbers. I don't mind spending a wee bit on supplemental feed, but if all your doing is trading pockets (more pounds but more cost) its not worth it either. Problem is everyone wants the bull that checks all the boxes and makes them out of my price range....or maybe Im just cheap, IDK. I try to watch everything though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amo, post: 1787194, member: 14857"] * I cant get the quote thing to work. Carcass traits are some of the most heritable. If you like EPDs, you ignore the actual data. If you believe that EPDs are the average expected rather than the actual measurements then you go with measured data. I see. I thought it was the other way around. For commercial cow/calf operators #1 influence on Net Profit is pounds weaned per cow exposed. Fertility, live calf (ce & bw) calf vigor, weaning weight, $W. Agreed. Yet at the same time, thats kinda like single trait selection IMHO. You have to fit your environment, but at the same time I feel you have to look out for the next guy too. Granted yes, they are buying off phenotype and pounds. Yes, EPD's on a yearling need to get proven. Most everything I look at has been 50K'd. I don't think that does a lot to carcass data. I know a guy who sells his cattle as fats. He doesn't buy a bull unless the marbling EPD (Angus bulls) is a +1.0 minimum because thats what his buyer told him to look for. Maybe he needed some help in that area, but that sounds awfully high IMHO. Carcass isn't top priority for me. Trying to maintain the sweet spot between production and fleshing ability for my environment is top. Mainly try to stay away from high milk, yet good WW & YW numbers. I don't mind spending a wee bit on supplemental feed, but if all your doing is trading pockets (more pounds but more cost) its not worth it either. Problem is everyone wants the bull that checks all the boxes and makes them out of my price range....or maybe Im just cheap, IDK. I try to watch everything though. [/QUOTE]
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