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<blockquote data-quote="HerefordSire" data-source="post: 572243" data-attributes="member: 4437"><p>Late night gibberish <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p> I do understand what you'all are saying, I'm not convinced that its really going to help the breeds move forward. Say, for instance the cow Remitall Catalina 24H, who is the dam of Remitall Online, what are the chances of breeding her back to Onlines sire and getting all that DNA from both sire and dam to align again one more time and produce another Online, 50,000 to1, 1,000,000 to 1. The odds of that happening for a clone, no different, twins no different. the odds are probably not a whole lot different for a full sister getting bred to his sire. Then you get back to the question of what is a great cow or bull. As most breeders basic goals are trying to improve their breed of choice, a great bull or cow, must then be defined as one with the ability to move a breed forward, by out breeding themselves, making their next generation better. Should you not then be cloning the son or daughter of the great sire or dam, who by all accounts should in fact be better than their "great" breeding parents. And if their sons and daughters are not better than their parents, why would you want to clone the parents or parent in the first place. To me, the great ones are the ones we tend to forget, their ability to out breed themselves to the point where their offspring outshine them so much we tend to forget the parents role they played in getting them there.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>RICH MAN's WAY:</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Let say your goal was to breed an animal better than Online 122L and stay with the same parents. Let us say you bought Catalina 24H for $45K the other day and she is now in your pasture in Canada. You successfully clone Catalina 24H twenty-five times and you purchase 1,000 staws of Embracer 8E semen so you can flush her and the clones 500 times. You implant the embryos into recipients and wait 9 months and another 205 days inorder to determine the best animal. Surely you can see that the probability of breeding an animal better than Online 122L increases directly related to clone quantity. If you agree this will help the breed move forward, I will write about the poor man's way.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>POOR MAN's WAY:</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HerefordSire, post: 572243, member: 4437"] Late night gibberish :) I do understand what you'all are saying, I'm not convinced that its really going to help the breeds move forward. Say, for instance the cow Remitall Catalina 24H, who is the dam of Remitall Online, what are the chances of breeding her back to Onlines sire and getting all that DNA from both sire and dam to align again one more time and produce another Online, 50,000 to1, 1,000,000 to 1. The odds of that happening for a clone, no different, twins no different. the odds are probably not a whole lot different for a full sister getting bred to his sire. Then you get back to the question of what is a great cow or bull. As most breeders basic goals are trying to improve their breed of choice, a great bull or cow, must then be defined as one with the ability to move a breed forward, by out breeding themselves, making their next generation better. Should you not then be cloning the son or daughter of the great sire or dam, who by all accounts should in fact be better than their "great" breeding parents. And if their sons and daughters are not better than their parents, why would you want to clone the parents or parent in the first place. To me, the great ones are the ones we tend to forget, their ability to out breed themselves to the point where their offspring outshine them so much we tend to forget the parents role they played in getting them there. [i]RICH MAN's WAY: Let say your goal was to breed an animal better than Online 122L and stay with the same parents. Let us say you bought Catalina 24H for $45K the other day and she is now in your pasture in Canada. You successfully clone Catalina 24H twenty-five times and you purchase 1,000 staws of Embracer 8E semen so you can flush her and the clones 500 times. You implant the embryos into recipients and wait 9 months and another 205 days inorder to determine the best animal. Surely you can see that the probability of breeding an animal better than Online 122L increases directly related to clone quantity. If you agree this will help the breed move forward, I will write about the poor man's way. POOR MAN's WAY:[/i] [/QUOTE]
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