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<blockquote data-quote="Fire Sweep Ranch" data-source="post: 1485064" data-attributes="member: 18809"><p>Let me clarify; our breeding group is feed a mix of DDG/salt, at a rate of 100 pounds a day, for 30 cows AND calves. Not all calves eat it, but most do. The mill mixes it for me a ton at a time, it us around 1500 pounds of DDG and 500 pounds of salt. Years ago, the extension did a program on supplementing cows on hay. DDG's are cheap out here, so they build on that. The DDG mixture cost me about $190 a ton. It lasts us 20 days. Much cheaper than a tub (or lots of tubs, for 30 cows).</p><p>Now, for M-5, the limiter is used to slow down consumption, just like a tub. If there was no limiter, ALL of the boss cows would consume the 100 pounds and the lower ranking cows would get none. We pour it out in two large concrete feed bunks, and there is still some left 12 hours later. </p><p>Here is a link to a good article based on using salt as a limiter, some go as high as 50/50!</p><p><a href="https://beef.unl.edu/cattleproduction/limitintake2011" target="_blank">https://beef.unl.edu/cattleproduction/limitintake2011</a></p><p></p><p>And another one about salt and numerous studies showing no harmful affects of cattle have adequate water:</p><p><a href="http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1943/ANSI-3008web.pdf" target="_blank">http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare ... 008web.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>My vet is the one that recommended the mix last year, when we had some really rank hay. This year our hay is good, but our mix of cows range from just fresh to getting close to calving, so I need to make sure I have enough there for all of them.</p><p></p><p>The multimin was given at first signs of the staggering, so just past 6 days. The vit B was given 24 hours later, at 7 days. Both were a reaction to the symptoms... </p><p></p><p>And no weird calving deaths, just stupid stuff like calf suffocating in sacs and embryo split twins! And only the twins occurred when they were on the DDG mix, the others they were still on pasture.</p><p>I did call my vet today about listeria, he said VERY unlikely since the symptoms do not match (no dumb calves, just issues with balance). I watched both calves suck normally today, several times. That makes a heart happy, but just wish I could figure out WHY they get this way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fire Sweep Ranch, post: 1485064, member: 18809"] Let me clarify; our breeding group is feed a mix of DDG/salt, at a rate of 100 pounds a day, for 30 cows AND calves. Not all calves eat it, but most do. The mill mixes it for me a ton at a time, it us around 1500 pounds of DDG and 500 pounds of salt. Years ago, the extension did a program on supplementing cows on hay. DDG's are cheap out here, so they build on that. The DDG mixture cost me about $190 a ton. It lasts us 20 days. Much cheaper than a tub (or lots of tubs, for 30 cows). Now, for M-5, the limiter is used to slow down consumption, just like a tub. If there was no limiter, ALL of the boss cows would consume the 100 pounds and the lower ranking cows would get none. We pour it out in two large concrete feed bunks, and there is still some left 12 hours later. Here is a link to a good article based on using salt as a limiter, some go as high as 50/50! [url=https://beef.unl.edu/cattleproduction/limitintake2011]https://beef.unl.edu/cattleproduction/limitintake2011[/url] And another one about salt and numerous studies showing no harmful affects of cattle have adequate water: [url=http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1943/ANSI-3008web.pdf]http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare ... 008web.pdf[/url] My vet is the one that recommended the mix last year, when we had some really rank hay. This year our hay is good, but our mix of cows range from just fresh to getting close to calving, so I need to make sure I have enough there for all of them. The multimin was given at first signs of the staggering, so just past 6 days. The vit B was given 24 hours later, at 7 days. Both were a reaction to the symptoms... And no weird calving deaths, just stupid stuff like calf suffocating in sacs and embryo split twins! And only the twins occurred when they were on the DDG mix, the others they were still on pasture. I did call my vet today about listeria, he said VERY unlikely since the symptoms do not match (no dumb calves, just issues with balance). I watched both calves suck normally today, several times. That makes a heart happy, but just wish I could figure out WHY they get this way. [/QUOTE]
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