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<blockquote data-quote="milkmaid" data-source="post: 93164" data-attributes="member: 852"><p>You know, to the best of my knowledge and the fellow I got this steer from, the bull he's by only came from a local rancher, no fancy genetics or imported bloodlines. He's just a commercial critter and I thought he was put together alright.</p><p></p><p>tcline - I'm up by Rexburg. </p><p></p><p>Thanks again for the input. I'm going to give the folks at the 4H office a call and see if I can get him weighed tomorrow during their lunch break. They've been real good about running over to the fairgrounds to help weigh him on the digital scale. </p><p></p><p>More questions about the feed. I thought I'd read from time to time folks saying that they've seen rectal prolapses from too much protein. Something to do with too much straining and the manure being too hard. Now I just read another post that says too much protein = really loose manure. (That one actually makes a little more sense to me as I've seen dairy cows' manure get really loose on cottonseed and green grass.) Which way is it?</p><p></p><p>Jeanne- if corn=fat, wouldn't I want to increase protein/or keep the feed the same so he's not putting on more weight? I must be missing something here or not thinking clearly, but it just sounds to me like if I wanted him to gain just a little less, I wouldn't want to feed something that would pack the pounds on (yet).</p><p></p><p>I've heard folks say to keep free choice feed (in this case hay) in front of them to avoid bloat. Otherwise they'd be having hours with no feed, then gorging themselves...makes sense to me, and I'd have to have a really good reason not to give him free choice hay.</p><p></p><p>Also, I have a younger brother that's doing a pig project, and I happened to be reading through the different types of feed folks recommend for pigs...one type of feed was designed for the last 2-3 weeks before the fair and it's a 30% protein, 1-2% fat to make the pig "...pop with muscle definetion" - exact wording. Can/should you do that to a steer too the last few weeks before the fair? or are steers supposed to be just fat?</p><p></p><p>Thanks again for the help. We haven't even started 4H meetings here, so I'm kinda on my own until we start meeting...maybe even after that. The last couple years when I've watched the steer show the judges have said most of the steers aren't finished yet. And that's with several different judges, not just the feedlot guy that judged last year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milkmaid, post: 93164, member: 852"] You know, to the best of my knowledge and the fellow I got this steer from, the bull he's by only came from a local rancher, no fancy genetics or imported bloodlines. He's just a commercial critter and I thought he was put together alright. tcline - I'm up by Rexburg. Thanks again for the input. I'm going to give the folks at the 4H office a call and see if I can get him weighed tomorrow during their lunch break. They've been real good about running over to the fairgrounds to help weigh him on the digital scale. More questions about the feed. I thought I'd read from time to time folks saying that they've seen rectal prolapses from too much protein. Something to do with too much straining and the manure being too hard. Now I just read another post that says too much protein = really loose manure. (That one actually makes a little more sense to me as I've seen dairy cows' manure get really loose on cottonseed and green grass.) Which way is it? Jeanne- if corn=fat, wouldn't I want to increase protein/or keep the feed the same so he's not putting on more weight? I must be missing something here or not thinking clearly, but it just sounds to me like if I wanted him to gain just a little less, I wouldn't want to feed something that would pack the pounds on (yet). I've heard folks say to keep free choice feed (in this case hay) in front of them to avoid bloat. Otherwise they'd be having hours with no feed, then gorging themselves...makes sense to me, and I'd have to have a really good reason not to give him free choice hay. Also, I have a younger brother that's doing a pig project, and I happened to be reading through the different types of feed folks recommend for pigs...one type of feed was designed for the last 2-3 weeks before the fair and it's a 30% protein, 1-2% fat to make the pig "...pop with muscle definetion" - exact wording. Can/should you do that to a steer too the last few weeks before the fair? or are steers supposed to be just fat? Thanks again for the help. We haven't even started 4H meetings here, so I'm kinda on my own until we start meeting...maybe even after that. The last couple years when I've watched the steer show the judges have said most of the steers aren't finished yet. And that's with several different judges, not just the feedlot guy that judged last year. [/QUOTE]
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