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<blockquote data-quote="Herefords.US" data-source="post: 620223" data-attributes="member: 3972"><p>The performance pedigree information is updated regularly, where EPDs are updated twice a year. The most current information on 3027 is 67 daughters in production with 38 calves reported with a WWR of 98.3. Although that is some improvement over the initial numbers in this thread, it's still well below average and the number of calves is now getting up to a point where I believe there will be little deviaton. One of the additional concerns I have is that these are mostly first calf heifers that get a percentage "markup" to their calves' weaning weight, so the actual difference in the raw weaning weight is actually greater than the ratio.</p><p></p><p>I just get a little aggravated when someone asks for input, likes to promote EPD numbers when they are favorable to them, but then they want to IGNOR or EXCUSE perfomance numbers when they don't align with what they WANT to believe. Then on top of that, when presented with contrary information, try to denigrate the bearers as "conspiracy theorists'. If you ask for input here, you better be prepared for both the good and bad. I guess someone could start a thread with "favorable input only wanted". With this bunch, I doubt it'd work!</p><p></p><p>3027 is one heck-of-a-good LOOKING bull and he probably has a number of good qualities. Just looking at his pictures, he's the kind I wouldn't mind using - IF I wasn't PRIMARILY interested in building a good maternal cowherd. I was just trying to provide a note of caution to those who might be tempted to use him without looking at ALL the facts. It's still a little early to be certain but the milking ability of his daughters SHOULD be a concern and I would urge anyone to hold off of using him until more information comes in - unless milking ability is something that they aren't concerned with. And, truthfully, i haven't seen that many Hereford herds where THAT wouldn't be a concern.</p><p></p><p>George</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herefords.US, post: 620223, member: 3972"] The performance pedigree information is updated regularly, where EPDs are updated twice a year. The most current information on 3027 is 67 daughters in production with 38 calves reported with a WWR of 98.3. Although that is some improvement over the initial numbers in this thread, it's still well below average and the number of calves is now getting up to a point where I believe there will be little deviaton. One of the additional concerns I have is that these are mostly first calf heifers that get a percentage "markup" to their calves' weaning weight, so the actual difference in the raw weaning weight is actually greater than the ratio. I just get a little aggravated when someone asks for input, likes to promote EPD numbers when they are favorable to them, but then they want to IGNOR or EXCUSE perfomance numbers when they don't align with what they WANT to believe. Then on top of that, when presented with contrary information, try to denigrate the bearers as "conspiracy theorists'. If you ask for input here, you better be prepared for both the good and bad. I guess someone could start a thread with "favorable input only wanted". With this bunch, I doubt it'd work! 3027 is one heck-of-a-good LOOKING bull and he probably has a number of good qualities. Just looking at his pictures, he's the kind I wouldn't mind using - IF I wasn't PRIMARILY interested in building a good maternal cowherd. I was just trying to provide a note of caution to those who might be tempted to use him without looking at ALL the facts. It's still a little early to be certain but the milking ability of his daughters SHOULD be a concern and I would urge anyone to hold off of using him until more information comes in - unless milking ability is something that they aren't concerned with. And, truthfully, i haven't seen that many Hereford herds where THAT wouldn't be a concern. George [/QUOTE]
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