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It's nice to hear some encouragement - this is our first time with a malpresentation. We have books on the subject and take good care of our cattle - we are not big ranchers and don't try to act like it, just trying to make some extra money on our farm. If you don't learn from your mistakes...

Tail first presentation, dead calf. Mom OK. Vet took a long time to come, hours, but I guess he already figured it was dead. We have learned from our mistake and misunderstood the stages of labor. Shame on us.

We have had a heifer in stage one labor since this AM around 7. She lays and pushes, gets up and pushes, walks around, paces, etc. But there has been no legs sticking out or anything. How long should we go before we call the vet? It is now almost 8 hours.