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The literature that I have seen regards +/-teat and udder structure as "moderately heritable".. that would be enough for me not to retain the bull if I would potentially save replacements sired by him

Got tired of bottle feeding my 2 twin cast-offs and purchased some help this weekend.

I tip my hat to you northern guys. I stopped feeding hay on April 12 this year.

Looks like he has a lot of frame for a 14 month old

Having said that, for just driving cattle, I'd vote heeler. For anything above and beyond driving: border collie (the heartier BC's, not the sheep or geese ones)

In my experience you get 5 stupid cattle dogs for every good 1.. and a lifetime for 1 great dog.. and then once you realize you've really got a great cattle dog, it gets run over by a truck. Much easier to train your cows to follow a bucket.

Pulled the trigger on him this morning.

Wow you guys will argue about anything

Really like the 57 and 61 cows. They're very fancy

CC7 was a great bull. He did add frame. He also would sire the most gentle and docile calves. You could breed him to a Water Buffalo and have a child show their calf.

This is a January '23 gelbvieh that I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on. Not many local gelbvieh breeders and I thought about trying out these folks. Pretty average EPDs but I liked his dam alot. Not great pictures but I'd welcome any feedback. Hard to notice, but he does have small scurrs.

Same here. Reseved 2 new ones about a month ago and called about adding a 3rd. Same breeder went up 1500..

Reminds me of my situation years ago: Thread 'NIGHTMARE' https://www.cattletoday.com/threads/nightmare.91472/ Still burns at me.

If I sold seedstock bulls, I'd keep that pic handy if people didn't like my prices

Wow never seen that. Doesn't look like frostbite damage. . kinda cute, but probably not desirable. Maybe they'll grow out

I do it for a hobby, but may have more cows than you. Keep up that poker face though!