This is why we BSE

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anewcomer said:
Thought that was correct. If you had cows calving in a 90 day season and wanted to get to a 60 day season, what would be the synchronization protocol?
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I turn bulls out on day 0, on day 5 cows get a single shot of Lute.

72 out of 75 bred cows calved in a 13 day window this spring. My calving season was 22 days long...
 
chevytaHOE5674 said:
4 mature bulls.
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That's what I was hoping for. Is there reason for giving the shot on day 5? We've looked into allot of stuff to shorten up breeding season. It's almost like trying to get rid of flies in Texas...lots of snake oil to sort through. Lute comes up allot though 👍🏻
 
Thanks for the article. I understand the reasoning on the 5 days now. I saved that link and maybe we can try this next year. My work schedule prevents allot but maybe we can have a better plan next round
 
I still go back to genetics on this deal. This is my first year preg testing cows with a season. I was very nervous coming out of the drought we were in. So far 1 Brahman cow was open and I had my suspensions based on how the bull was acting and her condition. The others all bred in 60 days. Many of these cows are 10-12 years old, several pushing 14. I sold a 16yr old 2 mo bred and had to use her ear tag to pick her out. The early groups got tested shortly after May 1, and the next group gets tested after June 1. This will include heifers, 2nd calvers, amd more F1s so we will see.

This is all ultrasound also. My vet will come out for a super reasonable price.

I had these 6 separated to sell due to the drought. They are 10-12 yrs old. They bred back in 60 days and we are getting rain so they are staying. Vet checked teeth on them also and said 6-7? LoL I had my spreadsheet on the phone and showed him.

The 16yr old was the mom to the last cow with red tint and another cow already in the pasture. The grand mother got sold a couple years ago over 15.

 
Okay, let's try this again. You know, that whole subject to change thing?

My crew called yesterday, wondering if today would be a good day to move the heifers & bulls. Sure, let's do it.

They pushed the bulls about a half mile to the pens. Tallywacker & Woody had to fight a few times but otherwise went smoothly. Got 'em in the corral and Grady looked at Tally & said there's nothing wrong with that bull. He watched him when we were working the herd and eyeballed him the entire time today. He stifled in December and I've never had a cow or bull recover from a stifle injury, but evidently, he's had enough time. He distances himself from the other bulls but probably because Woody can still whoop on him. So, I agreed to keep Tally and hope he doesn't re-injure himself. And the title of this thread? Well, fingers crossed. Buh-bye, Woody. It's been a great 7 years (got him as a yearling).

They moved Woody & Shaft to the barn until Shaft's withdrawal expires. At least that's what I thought was going to happen. Nope. One of my crew works at the sale barn. Not only will it not be an issue, but he'll swing by Wed morning on his way to work, load both bulls and take them in. Well, hot damn! Could it get any easier? And bonus - less shrink!
 
TCRanch said:
Okay, let's try this again. You know, that whole subject to change thing?

My crew called yesterday, wondering if today would be a good day to move the heifers & bulls. Sure, let's do it.

They pushed the bulls about a half mile to the pens. Tallywacker & Woody had to fight a few times but otherwise went smoothly. Got 'em in the corral and Grady looked at Tally & said there's nothing wrong with that bull. He watched him when we were working the herd and eyeballed him the entire time today. He stifled in December and I've never had a cow or bull recover from a stifle injury, but evidently, he's had enough time. He distances himself from the other bulls but probably because Woody can still whoop on him. So, I agreed to keep Tally and hope he doesn't re-injure himself. And the title of this thread? Well, fingers crossed. Buh-bye, Woody. It's been a great 7 years (got him as a yearling).

They moved Woody & Shaft to the barn until Shaft's withdrawal expires. At least that's what I thought was going to happen. Nope. One of my crew works at the sale barn. Not only will it not be an issue, but he'll swing by Wed morning on his way to work, load both bulls and take them in. Well, hot damn! Could it get any easier? And bonus - less shrink!
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Do you think it will be a "bonus, no shrink" TC? In my experience most of the professional buyers are pretty experienced and good judges and can judge how much shrink is left in them and they factor that into the price they are prepared to pay.

Ken
 
wbvs58 said:
Do you think it will be a "bonus, no shrink" TC? In my experience most of the professional buyers are pretty experienced and good judges and can judge how much shrink is left in them and they factor that into the price they are prepared to pay.

Ken
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The best shrink story I’ve ever seen; we used to Preg check cows all week to get ready for a special bred cow sale on Fridays at the sale barn. Someone brought a big ( around a ton) bull in on Monday for the Fridays sale. A cattle trader was hanging around and saw the bull. All week long, every chance he got the trader moved that bull to a pen with no water. On Friday the trader bought the bull. Kept him in a dry pen until Tuesday morning before the packers sale. Then the trader turned that bull in on an automatic drinker. A couple hours later he sold the bull as a cull. The bull had “gained” over 200lbs!
 
wbvs58 said:
Do you think it will be a "bonus, no shrink" TC? In my experience most of the professional buyers are pretty experienced and good judges and can judge how much shrink is left in them and they factor that into the price they are prepared to pay.

Ken
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Well, when you put it that way. I dunno. My vet estimated Shaft was 2300 lbs at his BSE.
 
Sooooooo, just as I feared, Tally has reinjured his stifled leg. Kicking myself for letting them talk me into keeping him instead of Woody. My crew knows cattle, that's all they've ever done. But I know my cattle better than anyone.

I'll see him with a cow in heat but haven't seen him breed any. Doesn't mean he isn't but I have my doubts. Meanwhile, Pecker is on his A-game and doing his best to get them all bred, even though he's only 2 years old.

I predict one long, drawn-out calving season next year. My tight calving and uniform calves was fun while it lasted.
 
A late calf is better than no calf.
When my 3YO main herd bull got beat up and hurt last fall, I bought a sale barn Charolais bull just to get the rest of them bred and sent the hurt bull over to my smaller place where the old one and dones are at. It has worked out well. The main bull has recovered on the smaller flat pastures and got the old girls bred and a bunch of them will go another round.

As a bonus, the neighbors bull is not so cocky about coming over the fence with the big mature Charo bull.
 
bird dog, I used to say the same thing. But that late bred cow will be late the rest of her life. At preg check, ship the short breds and buy back cows bred to calve at or before your calving date. TC Ranch, I feel your pain. Had a bull go bad on a single sire herd that had calved out over 92% in 30 days for two years in a row. Gonna take a while to get back there! On a 300 cow herd I help with, EVERY management problem we have is related to an extended calving season (150 days). Working on that now, but trust me, if you have a sizeable herd, the shorter your breeding/calving season, the easier your herd management will be.
 
Yes, a late calf is better than no calf. And yet . . . . @anewcomer, similar situation. A long time ago I had 2 yearlings covering the main herd and one of them broke his penis all of a couple weeks into the breeding season. Soldier down! Buh-bye! The other bull eventually got them all bred but I went from a 45-day calving to spread out over 6 months. I didn't pull the remaining bull after 90 days because I knew a lot of them weren't yet bred. And I didn't want to sell the opens & buy new because every cow I have was born & raised on this ranch. It took years to get back to a short calving by selling perfectly good (but late) cow/calf pairs (and most of the cows had bred back by then) and managing when I turned out & pulled the bulls.

Another downfall is most likely taking a hit when I sell the calves. A uniform, large group of calves sells a lot better than having to split them into smaller groups. But it is what it is.
 

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