Screw worm confirmed

Interesting that the calves didn't go. They weren't reliant on the milk any more? Virtual fence is an extreme game changer beyond a doubt. There are a couple things with this report that seem....... inconsistent? or sloppy herdsmanship. If there were 50 cows lost, woundn't a prudent herdsman/cowboy make a 'health check' on the remaining 1,750 cows, that he knew EXACTLY where they were with the collars to check that they were healthy, at the new location once they were there, (and not wait 3 days). And while he was doing that, make an observation that the calves were not present? For someone to make that kind of an investment and not check on it seems inconsistent, and at least to a degree, irresponsible. And do realize that thew collars allowed ALL the cows to be moved at once, you didn't have to spend the time finding them all. Nothing is perfect. A single 'game changer' does not mean that you can retire everything else that you have as the 'team' and have only one player (the virtual fencing) on the team.
The should have checked the calves, but then the biggest selling point in virtual fences is that you can move them without being there. In reality, virtual and portable fencing are just crutches for sub par stockmanship abilities.

Some of my students have left cattle alone for up to three months and they are still migrating as a herd (keep in mind that the pastures are 1,000s of acres so they can keep migrating without back grazing.)
They also routinely move hundreds, if not thousands of animals at a time without help. I'm not talking just about cattle, but sheep and goats as well. The clip below was part of a move of over 3 miles, through 4 gates with over 3,800 goats, with one person and no dogs. They stayed behind a conventional 3 wire barbed wire fence for over a month.
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We live in a results right now society despite seeing the long term, negative effects, of those decisions all around us.
That's an understatement. Part of the problem is we are always looking for shortcuts. When I was a kid in the 60's it never made sense to me that sheep, goats, horses, or any wild herbivores would graze in herds, but cattle would scatter out. Now that there are a few of us who can have cattle grazing as an actual herd, without using fences, people would rather trust technology, or consider putting in the time and effort to move them to be inconvenient.
 
We live in a results right now society despite seeing the long term, negative effects, of those decisions all around us.

You COULD potentially make this work though with the virtual fence too, depending of course on where you're moving them too (so, just moving them "forward" within the property... but not to an entirely different and separate pasture that may be a long distance away, or that's separated by fences and long distances, etc.). Normally, when I give the herd a new pasture, they'll always tend to prefer to be grazing up in that new area vs. the area they had just been in, even if they still have access to that "old break". I do this all the time in my rotations... it's not really a "new pasture"... just a further forward part of a strip that I've got them grazing on, that I've been preventing them from getting to up until that move.

My point would be that you "could" move the adult cattle forward using the "virtual back fence" to muster them up to the new area... and then once you've gotten the adults of the group up there, you "could" then pull that "back fence" back again to where it had been, but still keep the "forward limit fence" in the same "new" place, essentially then allowing the mommas that had left their calves hidden in the old pasture the ability to go back and get them. Those who took their babies along on the move will have no reason to be "back grazing" on that already grazed pasture, so they'll stay "forward"... but the cows that had left their calves behind will go back and get them, and then bring them up to the herd and the new area. That's how I do it with my polywire when I move them... I just move the forward wire, and allow them the freedom to be able to go back to what they had been on. Eventually (and usually within the day) they all, including the newborn calves, get themselves moved up into the new area.

One of the biggest concerns I have with the virtual fence is that we are automatically, by necessity, TEACHING the cattle to be TESTING that fence boundary ALL THE TIME. They HAVE TO BE testing it... constantly, to determine where you've moved it to, and what their new boundaries are. Every collared animal, every day... testing... testing... testing... Particularly because you ARE "moving" that boundary, all the time. (And this is the biggest reason that "battery capacity" and "solar recharging capability" is critically important on these systems...).

That's different than when there is a physical, visible wire, or polywire in place. How many of the cows do you see "testing" to see if that polywire that you're carrying between two people, mustering them up into the corral, is hot? NONE of them! They ASSUME that it IS hot, even if it isn't, because they tried it once, and didn't like it. It's a psychological barrier, even if it is no longer hot. They are afraid/unwilling to challenge it. The other day, I had a field day here... had over 70 strangers in attendance. To avoid those strangers getting an undesireable startle 😲 🥵 :ROFLMAO: , I shut off the fencer, and forgot to turn it back on until the next day. Three hundred+ head of cattle on the place, in three different herds, each with a bull, plus four bulls in my bull pen. Two of the herds happened to be literally right across the fence from each other, and when I realized the next day that I hadn't turned the fencer back on, the two bulls in those groups were staring and bellowing at each other through the fence between them... but NOBODY went where they weren't supposed to... even though there was NO heat on that fence. I maybe got lucky, particularly with those bulls... but it makes my point.

So what IS my point? What happens when the inevitable "glitch" happens, and "the system" isn't functioning properly. With a physical wire, they still respect that physical, visible boundary. They still "don't test it", because they can SEE IT, and they realize and remember that the last time they touched it, it shocked them, and it certainly wasn't pleasant, and they then try to avoid it. Even in the dark, if they can't see it... if they bump into it and feel the resistance of the wire, they back off, hoping not to get shocked. But what about with a virtual fence, where we've been intentionally TEACHING them to test that boundary continuously, all the time? Now what is going to be stopping them? Nothing... because there's "nothing" there. And how long will it take them to figure out that there's nothing there. Minutes, probably... because we've been teaching them ALL THE TIME, to be testing that boundary, ALL THE TIME. They'll test, like we've taught them to do, and they'll absolutely keep right on going, until they finally "get a signal". When will that be? And how far will they have gone, or how mixed up with other herds might they have become, before we can restore that system to full functionality?

AND, some of that "fully functional" is well beyond YOUR own ability to fix. What if it's a "hacker" situation? Even the banking system, and government computer systems, are not "safe" from hacking. How long can you be "down", and not have serious consequences as a result, when we've been TEACHING those animals to test that boundary constantly? If it's a tree down on the fence, I can fix that. If it's a fencer that goes down from lightning, I can fix that. I can't fix a satellite connection, or a software issue, or a subscription failure. What if it's that expensive "tower station" that fails? What just happened to my control of my herd(s)? Technology sounds great, as long as it's working..................... but technology being what it is, we KNOW that there are going to be failures. And chances are they aren't going to be cheap to fix either.
If they get close to the fence, the collar starts beeping. Until that point they don't have a clue there's anything to test. As far as them not knowing if the fence is hot or not, there are individuals who definitely know if it's on or not. I had one small group of steers that started getting out of a hot fence. Puzzled me because the fence was never down. sBy the third or fourth day they saw me coming and came back on their own. As they came up to the fence, one steer leaned up against it to short it out, and the others crossed on the side that was no longer hot. Desert country so we had a ground wire below the hot wire. You could actually see the skin between the two wires twitching, and he didn't care.
 
We live in a results right now society despite seeing the long term, negative effects, of those decisions all around us.
Sometimes I think the more "advanced" we get the dumber we are. Our powers of observation automatically reject what we see if that goes against our established paradigms. Before the last job I had sold the ranch, people would joke around about me not needing a crew as it was common for me to be moving over 1,000 steers, or taking them down the road and to the pens by myself. When the place was leased out with a purchase option to some farmers, the same people who saw me moving those big bunches by kept using crews of 8 to 10 people to gather a couple of hundred head wouldn't call me for day work because they couldn't wrap their heads around what I was doing, even though it obviously works.
 
Sometimes I think the more "advanced" we get the dumber we are. Our powers of observation automatically reject what we see if that goes against our established paradigms. Before the last job I had sold the ranch, people would joke around about me not needing a crew as it was common for me to be moving over 1,000 steers, or taking them down the road and to the pens by myself. When the place was leased out with a purchase option to some farmers, the same people who saw me moving those big bunches by kept using crews of 8 to 10 people to gather a couple of hundred head wouldn't call me for day work because they couldn't wrap their heads around what I was doing, even though it obviously works.
You are correct. I love my technology but I believe people need to learn with out it. It makes them twice as deadly when they also have technology.

I was on a burn this week and they had printed out maps on paper. A young guy was lighting and turned up in to the burn unit. When they asked him what's up he was confused about where he was on the map. I guarantee you, for his whole life, there has always been a blue dot showing where he was on the map.

The rest of us oriented ourselves off the land scape by counting trees and looking for things like that.

Now, am I against whipping out a phone and running Google earth to get some where if I have service so I can get a birds eye view, absolutely not. If I don't have service or a phone will I still find my way, yes I will.

I saw this same effect in O&G over the years. They have extremely talented people right now but have made them technology depended and ultimately dependent on the company providing the technology. I think that is being done on purpose. They are not teaching them fundamental skills they can go any where with.
 
I saw a post on the book of faces where The Ag Sec answered questions; one of them was about the distribution of NWS cases and she said that their movement is not weather related and they still believe that there are no native populations.

Has anyone seen different data?

There was also a statement about approval of the novo fly, which is to have all male sterile flies for the drops.
 
Screw worms could certainly come here, but probably not this year. I will be prepared if/when they come. It kills many kinds of ticks.
I understand that it will kill other kinds of ticks but I doubt my vet will prescribe it when we dont have either listed at this time. I will check and see.
 
It’s only labeled for Cattle Fever Tick. I’m not sure why it wouldn’t kill other ticks but that’s all that is listed on the label.
 
It’s only labeled for Cattle Fever Tick. I’m not sure why it wouldn’t kill other ticks but that’s all that is listed on the label.
I agree that it probably will and a vet could recommend off label use. Im sure as much of the area that's having tick problems that we will hear more soon.
For now Im thinking I will treat with Cydectin because of it not hurting the dung beetles.
 
He said he thought around $10 an animal? Is that what you are seeing?

Expensive compared to the injectable I guess but cheap if you don't have a way to catch and inject them. 🤷‍♂️
About $2000 for a 5 liter jug. So $0.40/ml. 1 ml per 44#. About $0.90 per 100#. 200# calf - $1.80. 1200# cow - $10.80.
 
Check this out.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animals/animal-health/livestock-and-poultry-disease/current-status?page=1
Scroll down to Mexico. Does this look out of control to you?
YES, it is more out of control than it has been in 40 years... because it had been pushed back down to the "Darien Straight". Hundreds of cases in most every one of the areas that was listed...and many active ones... the sterile male flies will only work so fast because the female has to mate with them... it took several years to completely eliminate the last time it was in the US.... this is not going to go away in 6 months.... there will be many unreported cases due to farmers/ranchers not wanting quarantines and all that; don't kid yourself thinking there won't be.
And the game farms will not be running their deer and exotic animals through the cattle chute or driving up on a new baby to check it out like a cattleman does.
 

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