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Guy a couple towns over had a friend come help him work cows. The friend wasnt really a cow guy. A bull came in the pen that was known for being aggressive and gored the invited friend. It ripped his throat out did all kinds of damage in the abdomen. They launched a halo flight immediately and owner held a shirt on his throat until they got there. The invited guy is still "alive" in the hospital.

Thats ridiculous and was completely preventable. Its one thing to be stupid. Its another to get others involved in your stupid that dont know better.
 
Brute 23 said:
Guy a couple towns over had a friend come help him work cows. The friend wasnt really a cow guy. A bull came in the pen that was known for being aggressive and gored the invited friend. It ripped his throat out did all kinds of damage in the abdomen. They launched a halo flight immediately and owner held a shirt on his throat until they got there. The invited guy is still "alive" in the hospital.

Thats ridiculous and was completely preventable. Its one thing to be stupid. Its another to get others involved in your stupid that dont know better.
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I have friends that don’t know cows, they are the last thing I want in the corrals when we are working cattle.
 
SBMF 2015 said:
Santa Gertrudis Are the only breed that I have seen that it seems like they have a temper. And when they catch fire look out!
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I think they are smarter than most other breeds. But I've seen some bad Brahman crosses, a few Charolaise, and some damn evil Back Angus. The worst I ever saw was a Char/Angus that I bought at the sale barn and am pretty sure she was drugged. By the time I got her home she was looking to kill anything she could reach and she was actively trying to reach out. One of those animals where I was thankful to have a corral built to hold bison. (I didn't build this one, but it was built like I do build them.)
I bought several heifers from this place I was talking about when they did some crossbreeding experiments. Best crossbred heifers I've ever seen. And just a pleasure to be around.
 
Dave said:
B has a hook on a telescoping pole. It stretches out to 10 or 12 feet long. Most of the time he just catches the calves by hand but sometime you find a runner. Also comes in handy for catching the calf of a snotty mom.
Larger numbers and pairs going different areas having the calves numbered allows you the make sure you have them matched up correctly.
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I have one of those. I was skeptical at first but once you get on to it, it’s pretty handy.
My only complaint is I wish it had a T handle or loop at the end to hang on to.
I use my to treat calves on pasture. When I get a little brave and hook a 250lb’er I struggle to hold the pole and work the calf.
 
SBMF 2015 said:
I have one of those. I was skeptical at first but once you get on to it, it’s pretty handy.
My only complaint is I wish it had a T handle or loop at the end to hang on to.
I use my to treat calves on pasture. When I get a little brave and hook a 250lb’er I struggle to hold the pole and work the calf.
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Here the hook is only used on baby calves. Any thing bigger needing treatment gets handled one of 3 methods depending on where it is at. The corral and chute. A dart gun. Fast horse and a long rope (generally 2 horses).
 
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SBMF 2015 said:
I have one of those. I was skeptical at first but once you get on to it, it’s pretty handy.
My only complaint is I wish it had a T handle or loop at the end to hang on to.
I use my to treat calves on pasture. When I get a little brave and hook a 250lb’er I struggle to hold the pole and work the calf.
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I have one as well. I rarely have to use it, but when I need it, it's worth every penny.
 
One of my older cows calved this week, checked her just before dark and it was brand spanking new, trying to get up. Headed out the next morning to tag/work the calf and I could NOT find them. And this was after almost 2 hours of searching the woods, driving the pastures, going into the more secluded places. I generally park the Polaris and hike (hence, I get my 1000 steps early in the morning). Was heading back to the Polaris after searching the draw and I'll be damned, there she was. And she wanted cubes. Okay, I'm game, she earned some cuz it's a freaking huge bull calf and this is her 11th. I honestly think she felt sorry for me and possibly a little guilty for making me work up a sweat because I have no doubt she watched &/or heard me the entire time my glutes got a quality workout. She finished her cubes, turned around and took me straight to her calf. She had him parked under a cedar tree and just stood there and watched as I crawled under and tagged her calf, gave him Inforce 3 and a First Defense bolus.
 
SBMF 2015 said:
Santa Gertrudis Are the only breed that I have seen that it seems like they have a temper. And when they catch fire look out!
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Brahman and Brahman crosses pretty much all have tempers if provoked.
I’ve had some Santa Gertrudis, actually they are one of my favorites. I like the slick hair and dark red look of them.
The few I’ve had were dog gentle, but they could be the absolute stubbornest things ever.
They are smart, had one that would get almost all the way down the alleyway and balk about going on in the chute. She’d stub up and just stand. Put much pressure on her and the temper came out in form of kicking. She’d kick like rapid fire. Get her out and she was fine again.
Had some Braford type cows and they were pretty good but anything out of the ordinary would get one of them pretty wary, All of them were fired up when caught in a head chute and sometimes turned and came at you when let out of the chute if anything much had been done, like stitching up a prolapse.
 
SBMF 2015 said:
Santa Gertrudis Are the only breed that I have seen that it seems like they have a temper. And when they catch fire look out!
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I remember when Gerts first showed up around here, (60 years or so ago) and people gave them a bad reputation, mostly because they were scared of them. And the Brahmas and other Brama crosses too. I do not think it has anything to do with breed, though. Most of the problems came because of people that did not know how to handle them. Ignorant people and damned hot shots! I know quite a few people that have Gerts and Gert crosses, and they are as easy to handle ( if you know how... leave the dogs at home, don't chase them with 4-whelers, etc, and do NOT use hot shots) as any family milk cow. Gentlest bulls I have ever handled are Brahmas raised right. Enviroment is at least 96% of cattle behavioral problems; genetics is maybe a few percent.
 
We used to tag every calf within the first week of birth. After a couple years of doing so I realized it provided no useful information to my operation but out of habit I kept doing it for a few more years. Most cows don't mind you tagging a calf but a few get snorty with you. One tried to kill me one night so I finally said F this and just tag at the end of calving season now.
 
When I broke my arm last year trying to run from a momma cow, who by the way is not at all aggressive, I made an immediate management change - we would tag and castrate when the calves were 1-2 months old by running them through a chute and onto a calf table. It worked great last year and this year.
 
Dusty Britches said:
When I broke my arm last year trying to run from a momma cow, who by the way is not at all aggressive, I made an immediate management change - we would tag and castrate when the calves were 1-2 months old by running them through a chute and onto a calf table. It worked great last year and this year.
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smart decision
 
Dusty Britches said:
When I broke my arm last year trying to run from a momma cow, who by the way is not at all aggressive, I made an immediate management change - we would tag and castrate when the calves were 1-2 months old by running them through a chute and onto a calf table. It worked great last year and this year.
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That is what I do; I can't run like I used to be able to. The only disadvantage is I don't know what cow they belong to.
 
I called B this morning. There was 4 new calves. 2 were from my cows. One was definitely from one of his. By the time I spotted #4 the cows were in the feed row. This calf was in the middle of about 8 cows wander from one to another. I just called him to find out which cow it belonged to. It turned out to be one of his cows, He said the cow seriously wanted to kill him but he got the calf tagged.
 

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