Stirring the pot on the LH/corriente topic

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farmerjan said:
Most dairies that I test that have registered animals, also are glad to get 50% in ET's .... it's a tough way to increase with the genetics you want... many buy ET's and have them implanted into recips... or save et's when they do a flush... fresh settle better than frozen... but it is as much or more about the timing of the opens synched for implantation... and the quality of the eggs harvested... lots of factors...
He//, even AI is chancy... most farms are glad to get 60% on first service... timing is alot of that contributing to the better settle rates.
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I'd like to see pics of l
Warren Allison said:
The bull is heterazygous for black. If he was homozygous, he would sire only black calves.
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How would I know I have heterozygous black? Breeding to LH are u saying that gives 100% black calves?
 
sgreear said:
I'd like to see pics of l

How would I know I have heterozygous black? Breeding to LH are u saying that gives 100% black calves?
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No. Using a homozygous for black will. Does Limousine not record that on the registration paper? If not, or if you are using a non-registered bull, you'd have to get a DNA test. Or, see if it sires any non-black calves. Like he did, apparently.
 
Warren Allison said:
No. Using a homozygous for black will. Does Limousine not record that on the registration paper? If not, or if you are using a non-registered bull, you'd have to get a DNA test. Or, see if it sires any non-black calves. Like he did, apparently.
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First sgreear, you can take an ear notch, blood, or hair even i think and test for Homozygous black.
Second, yes a Homozygous black bull will not have red calves but they can be spotted to almost white from a longhorn cow. But the spots will be black always.
Example from a registered Simmental bull.
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farmerjan said:
I have used HOMO for black, registered black angus on my longhorn, and she has produced both black calves and white with some speckles, FROM THE SAME BULL.... the 2 different bulls I have used on her over the years have produced black calves from every other color cow in the field, but her... LONGHORNS do not follow the "color rules"... the same for the horns... a couple have had scurs, no more than thumb length at 8 months... the one I am going to butcher has nubs that are smooth and close to his head... never grew any length... just look like polished spots on his head... some have had nothing...
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Farmerjan, does the registration papers for your Angus bull say Homozygous black?
 
kenny thomas said:
Farmerjan, does the registration papers for your Angus bull say Homozygous black?
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Kenny, I don't know... I just remember that when we bought the 2 bulls, they announced at the sale that the black angus bulls were all black, back in their pedigrees, no red angus had been used in any of the black angus cattle pedigrees they were offering... I will have to see if I can find the papers. Don't even know if it is on any of the black angus papers...

I guess I should have not used "homo" when I made that statement... my mistake...should have been purebred registered black angus....

I do remember that the limi bull I bought several years before did say hetero for black... have gotten 2 calves in probably 7 years from him that were not black... and one was on a black cow... no record of her parentage...

Your proof from your homo black simmental with your longhorn does validate that the color rules do not apply to longhorns... my mostly white longhorn had a calf like yours this year... a little less black spotting... BUT.... he had tan coloring on his legs and ears, I took pictures, and they have since turned black.. The cow had some tan spots when she was younger... and they show for a little bit when she sheds out her winter coat but she goes mostly all white, a little brownish in her ears, and just a little black spotting...
If I were more proficient with all the electronic stuff, I would learn how to post pictures I have on this "smart phone"... which is way smarter than me,,,, But I do not go on the internet with the phone... all my internet stuff is done at home on the laptop at the desk.
 
farmerjan said:
Kenny, I don't know... I just remember that when we bought the 2 bulls, they announced at the sale that the black angus bulls were all black, back in their pedigrees, no red angus had been used in any of the black angus cattle pedigrees they were offering... I will have to see if I can find the papers. Don't even know if it is on any of the black angus papers...

I guess I should have not used "homo" when I made that statement... my mistake...should have been purebred registered black angus....

I do remember that the limi bull I bought several years before did say hetero for black... have gotten 2 calves in probably 7 years from him that were not black... and one was on a black cow... no record of her parentage...

Your proof from your homo black simmental with your longhorn does validate that the color rules do not apply to longhorns... my mostly white longhorn had a calf like yours this year... a little less black spotting... BUT.... he had tan coloring on his legs and ears, I took pictures, and they have since turned black.. The cow had some tan spots when she was younger... and they show for a little bit when she sheds out her winter coat but she goes mostly all white, a little brownish in her ears, and just a little black spotting...
If I were more proficient with all the electronic stuff, I would learn how to post pictures I have on this "smart phone"... which is way smarter than me,,,, But I do not go on the internet with the phone... all my internet stuff is done at home on the laptop at the desk.
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I ask because everyone assumes that all Angus bulls are Homozygous black. Its not on any registration papers if i remember correctly. Yes most are but not always.
I use an Android phone and almost never use my laptop anymore.
 
farmerjan said:
If I were more proficient with all the electronic stuff, I would learn how to post pictures I have on this "smart phone"... which is way smarter than me,,,, But I do not go on the internet with the phone... all my internet stuff is done at home on the laptop at the desk.
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I am the same way! I use a flip phone...don't care anything about having a "smart phone". I have 3 PCs, 2 laptops, a tablet, and 2 digital cameras. I just need a phone to talk on. I do not text either. It is the height of stupidity for two people to be standing there with a phone, and be pecking away on it. Long time ago, when all we had was telegraph, pecking was your only choice. Then Alexander Bell invented the telephone! :) If I get a text, I have a saved reply I send: " CALL ME". LOL. Those pics I posted this week of those Brangus x Corr steers, I got Clay to make, then send them to me on FB messenger, so I could edit them and put them on my hard drive to upload from!
 
kenny thomas said:
I ask because everyone assumes that all Angus bulls are Homozygous black. Its not on any registration papers if i remember correctly. Yes most are but not always.
I use an Android phone and almost never use my laptop anymore.
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You can look back through a pedigree and see if there are any red carriers. There should be very few red carriers at this point.
 
farmerjan said:

If I were more proficient with all the electronic stuff, I would learn how to post pictures I have on this "smart phone"... which is way smarter than me,,,, But I do not go on the internet with the phone... all my internet stuff is done at home on the laptop at the desk.
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Do what I do, message them to yourself on FB messenger, read them on your 'puter, and save them in a folder on your hard drive.
 
kenny thomas said:
You are correct but for many small producers and some big ones, just reading the papers are beyond their understanding.
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I have the AAA app on my phone and will usually pull up pedigrees with potential customers to show them how to find the full pedigree and how to review the pedigrees and EPDs, especially on bulls in catalogs where information is incomplete and accuracies are not shown without the full pedigree information.
 
GoWyo said:
I have the AAA app on my phone and will usually pull up pedigrees with potential customers to show them how to find the full pedigree and how to review the pedigrees and EPDs, especially on bulls in catalogs where information is incomplete and accuracies are not shown without the full pedigree information.
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Thats a good selling point.
 

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