Amo
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So I bought seamen on a bull that was custom collected. A major stud leased the bull as a yearling. They released the bull back to the owner as well as the inferior semen. Why they didn't destroy the old stuff I'm not sure. I was unaware of the last couple of sentences until couple of weeks ago.
Owner of the bull says he is settling cows with great conception rates. They are using him in et. I got 33% with this bull, 100% and 66% with 2 others.....4 of 12, 2 of 2, and 4 of 6 head bred. Took a straw to a bull stud to get analyzed. It was junk, and the codes on the straw was from the major bull stud that couldn't get quality semen post thaw. Total mobility 45%. Progressive motility 28%, with fast progressive motility only 4%. Bull owner says the "fresh" stuff is excellent. Talked to his hired man a few weeks prior to the conversation with the owner and he said they're using him ET. Custom collection facility supposedly has lower standards than major bull studs. Ya, if you own the semen you have $2 a straw invested, so they could use more than just one straw, but the owner says they're not.
So that's the background, on to the question. I've heard bulls that were having trouble being collected, then start producing again. Always assumed it was a volume problem, not quality problem. I've had a couple of people say that if a bull wasn't able to have quality semen post thaw, that he never will because it's a genetic issue. The bull stud bought this bull in march and the stuff I got was collected in November. If it truly is a genetic issue, one collection should have proven that. Rep privately told me they tried to collect him for a year or so. So I guess my question is, if he was/is genetically not able to freeze quality semen is that something that he can come out of, or is the collection place have lower standards and I'd just be getting the same junk.
Called the bull owner the other night. He was going to thaw out some of what he had and get back to me. His sale is tomorrow and they were going to test bulls afterwards. I'm kinda up in the air on this. Spent $1200 on straws ($40 a straw), labor, drugs, missed first cycle. I figure I'm out 15-1500$ even though he settled 4 cows. I could use another bull and kinda had one found. It's a no sale from a place I bought my bull this year. Not a bad no sale, but still a no sale. The semen seller offered me 10 straws to replace the problem. I could ask for my money back, but that's probably the slimmest chance of happening. Get $1800 of "fresh" straws and hope it's good, or hit him up for a sale credit tomorrow. My no sale bull would be $2750. A bull purchase after the credit would probably be more than the $2750. I've been thinking way to much about this, but guess looking for some insight from the professionals!
Owner of the bull says he is settling cows with great conception rates. They are using him in et. I got 33% with this bull, 100% and 66% with 2 others.....4 of 12, 2 of 2, and 4 of 6 head bred. Took a straw to a bull stud to get analyzed. It was junk, and the codes on the straw was from the major bull stud that couldn't get quality semen post thaw. Total mobility 45%. Progressive motility 28%, with fast progressive motility only 4%. Bull owner says the "fresh" stuff is excellent. Talked to his hired man a few weeks prior to the conversation with the owner and he said they're using him ET. Custom collection facility supposedly has lower standards than major bull studs. Ya, if you own the semen you have $2 a straw invested, so they could use more than just one straw, but the owner says they're not.
So that's the background, on to the question. I've heard bulls that were having trouble being collected, then start producing again. Always assumed it was a volume problem, not quality problem. I've had a couple of people say that if a bull wasn't able to have quality semen post thaw, that he never will because it's a genetic issue. The bull stud bought this bull in march and the stuff I got was collected in November. If it truly is a genetic issue, one collection should have proven that. Rep privately told me they tried to collect him for a year or so. So I guess my question is, if he was/is genetically not able to freeze quality semen is that something that he can come out of, or is the collection place have lower standards and I'd just be getting the same junk.
Called the bull owner the other night. He was going to thaw out some of what he had and get back to me. His sale is tomorrow and they were going to test bulls afterwards. I'm kinda up in the air on this. Spent $1200 on straws ($40 a straw), labor, drugs, missed first cycle. I figure I'm out 15-1500$ even though he settled 4 cows. I could use another bull and kinda had one found. It's a no sale from a place I bought my bull this year. Not a bad no sale, but still a no sale. The semen seller offered me 10 straws to replace the problem. I could ask for my money back, but that's probably the slimmest chance of happening. Get $1800 of "fresh" straws and hope it's good, or hit him up for a sale credit tomorrow. My no sale bull would be $2750. A bull purchase after the credit would probably be more than the $2750. I've been thinking way to much about this, but guess looking for some insight from the professionals!
