They're both black and Angus looking.ALACOWMAN":2vy9i8b7 said:. You know the phenotypical differences in the 2 breeds???Muddy":2vy9i8b7 said:So how do you know if it's a black Simmental or a black limousin?elkwc":2vy9i8b7 said:Regardless of which breed/breeds a breeder uses he needs to be careful in his selection. There are many good Angus that sire uniformity and consistency. But they are also many that don't. Just because an individual looks good doesn't mean he will breed that way. There have been many fire and ice matings in many breeds. I've seen many in the Angus and Hereford breeds. The progeny of these mating many times don't sire consistency or conformity. A buyer in the seats notices that right off. The experienced buyers can tell a high percentage Simmi or Limmi even if they are black. What was in the woodpile is what concerns me with some Angus and many Polled Herefords. But back to what breeds cross well I was talking to a fellow breeder today. We both agreed in the past we had saw and owned some good Char/Angus and Char/Hereford crosses. The main reason that he quit was because of the dock. They started really docking the smokies. The desire for black hides played a factor in many breeding decisions. I knew of on ranch that fed out all of their cattle and continued the Char/Hereford cross up into the 2000's.
WalnutCrest":3nl9j1aw said:Son of Butch":3nl9j1aw said:I breed for calf crops with highest Net Profit (pounds weaned per cow exposed)
10 average calves from 10 cows NET more than 9 above average calves from 10 cows.
Any reason you prefer that metric (lbs weaned / exposed female) instead of another (say, net profit / acre)?
Stocker Steve":2buie567 said:WalnutCrest":2buie567 said:Son of Butch":2buie567 said:I breed for calf crops with highest Net Profit (pounds weaned per cow exposed)
10 average calves from 10 cows NET more than 9 above average calves from 10 cows.
Any reason you prefer that metric (lbs weaned / exposed female) instead of another (say, net profit / acre)?
I think the smaller cow/larger net per acre guys assume you overpaid for pasture land and can only run cows. Kit is the keynote speaker at one of our winter meetings, so I will get an earful then. Let me know if you want the high points.
In our area feeder prices are dropping but bred beef is in high demand. Angus crosses with some muscle usually top this market. So the largest net per acre of "cow" pasture for is to run big bred heifers, at double the stocking rate of pairs .
pounds weaned per cow exposed measures your cow herd's productionWalnutCrest":wdpgk8xh said:Son of Butch":wdpgk8xh said:I breed for calf crops with highest Net Profit (pounds weaned per cow exposed)
10 average calves from 10 cows NET more than 9 above average calves from 10 cows.
Any reason you prefer that metric (lbs weaned / exposed female) instead of another (say, net profit / acre)?
Son of Butch":28a7wn2r said:pounds weaned per cow exposed measures your cow herd's productionWalnutCrest":28a7wn2r said:Son of Butch":28a7wn2r said:I breed for calf crops with highest Net Profit (pounds weaned per cow exposed)
10 average calves from 10 cows NET more than 9 above average calves from 10 cows.
Any reason you prefer that metric (lbs weaned / exposed female) instead of another (say, net profit / acre)?
It provides a yardstick to measure your herd's progress or regression from one year to another.
It also shows you how your management choices are faring... am I providing too much or too little nutrition/supplements... am I doing a good job managing herd fertility and calf survival ect. and where do I need to improve.
profit per acre measures the production of your land, an important, but separate issue.
p.s.
We row crop so I probably view land differently than a strictly cow/calf operation.
No not at all, I was just curious. Seems like everyone wants to bash Angus and to me Angus is the reason more beef isn't imported into the United States. But I'll ask again because either no one else knows or no one else cares, but I do. After the Angus breed, is Brahman, or Hereford the most commonly used breed to make crossbred composite cattle?Caustic Burno":2juk7l71 said:
The question that needs asking is what should be taught and practiced to decrease the cost of production, improve efficiency, produce a product that would be in higher demand and actually decrease the need for beef imports.True Grit Farms":1qhowx5u said:No not at all, I was just curious. Seems like everyone wants to bash Angus and to me Angus is the reason more beef isn't imported into the United States. But I'll ask again because either no one else knows or no one else cares, but I do. After the Angus breed, is Brahman, or Hereford the most commonly used breed to make crossbred composite cattle?Caustic Burno":1qhowx5u said:TennesseeTuxedo":1qhowx5u said:Breed Pimp Alert!!!
I thought that was the idea of the thread.
Ebenezer":2zjznfet said:The question that needs asking is what should be taught and practiced to decrease the cost of production, improve efficiency, produce a product that would be in higher demand and actually decrease the need for beef imports.
The answer is not hidden. Other species know or have known for years how to maximize efficiency. But blind breed believers, cattle maximizers, cattle minimizers, egotists, power grabbers, the great and learned to be great and learned, the blind number guys and cattle groomers have all had their time to skew and bend and keep the industry in turmoil. Everyone is brainwashed that "better is bought" rather than "better is bred". It is a constant rotation of blinding lights which obscure the vision.
The answers are not breeds but lines (or breeds or crosses) of environmentally adapted cattle that complement one another so that the terminal calves are quite suitable and in demand while the cow calf producer is profitable. What is in the void: true leaders, an understanding that more costs more if more is the goal of every cow and bull, that the cow calf guy will always get what the buyers want to pay, that consumers will get what the packers want to sell, ... The answers are not breeds.
Ebenezer":2azju4ih said:The question that needs asking is what should be taught and practiced to decrease the cost of production, improve efficiency, produce a product that would be in higher demand and actually decrease the need for beef imports.True Grit Farms":2azju4ih said:No not at all, I was just curious. Seems like everyone wants to bash Angus and to me Angus is the reason more beef isn't imported into the United States. But I'll ask again because either no one else knows or no one else cares, but I do. After the Angus breed, is Brahman, or Hereford the most commonly used breed to make crossbred composite cattle?Caustic Burno":2azju4ih said:
I thought that was the idea of the thread.
The answer is not hidden. Other species know or have known for years how to maximize efficiency. But blind breed believers, cattle maximizers, cattle minimizers, egotists, power grabbers, the great and learned to be great and learned, the blind number guys and cattle groomers have all had their time to skew and bend and keep the industry in turmoil. Everyone is brainwashed that "better is bought" rather than "better is bred". It is a constant rotation of blinding lights which obscure the vision.
The answers are not breeds but lines (or breeds or crosses) of environmentally adapted cattle that complement one another so that the terminal calves are quite suitable and in demand while the cow calf producer is profitable. What is in the void: true leaders, an understanding that more costs more if more is the goal of every cow and bull, that the cow calf guy will always get what the buyers want to pay, that consumers will get what the packers want to sell, ... The answers are not breeds.
Caustic Burno said:Grit to answer your question.
Brahman influenced cattle make up 42%
of the US cow herd.
I am willing to bet Angus don't.
If angus don't,, apparently it ain't because they ain't trying :cowboy:
Caustic Burno":3r9zi5p8 said:Grit to answer your question.
Brahman influenced cattle make up 42%
of the US cow herd.
I am willing to bet Angus don't.
http://www.bifconference.com/bif2012/su ... onment.htm
Bright Raven":1vzmodrn said:Caustic Burno":1vzmodrn said:Grit to answer your question.
Brahman influenced cattle make up 42%
of the US cow herd.
I am willing to bet Angus don't.
http://www.bifconference.com/bif2012/su ... onment.htm
CB, I would not doubt that. But to be clear are you comparing Brahman-Influenced to Angus-Influenced or to pure Angus. Huge difference.
Caustic Burno":8zdyczew said:Bright Raven":8zdyczew said:Caustic Burno":8zdyczew said:Grit to answer your question.
Brahman influenced cattle make up 42%
of the US cow herd.
I am willing to bet Angus don't.
http://www.bifconference.com/bif2012/su ... onment.htm
CB, I would not doubt that. But to be clear are you comparing Brahman-Influenced to Angus-Influenced or to pure Angus. Huge difference.
Grits question after Angus what is the most popular breed to make composite cattle. I can't find the data where they outrank the 42%.
He wasn't talking pure he was talking influenced.