@BFE , you are right...you are about to stir the pot with this thread!!! LOL But I will challenge any of the nay-sayers on here...with the same challenge I have offered to others before. (No takers yet, in 30 years I might add.) Here is is: You get up $200,000. and I will too. We each put $100,000 in a kitty...winner take all. I buy $100,00 worth of Corr cows. They buy $100,00 worth of commercial British, Continental, Brahma, or any various crosses of those kind of cattle. We each take a pasture the same size. They can not feed, hay, worm, vaccinate, fertilize the pasture, feed or supplement their cows, and neither will I. Neither of us can spend another dime's worth of inputs over the initial purchase price of the cows. No vets, no meds, no assisting in calving. We use the exact same black, polled bulls. At the end of the year ,the one who makes the most off their calf crop gets