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Hardnosecattleco said:
I never planned on the whole retirement thing. Granite I'm long ways away but my theory is I could die before that time so spend the money while I can and enjoy while I'm hear and not plan for something that I may not make.

You'll probably live to be 110; then you'll understand the old phrase, "if I'd only know I was gonna live this long............".

Just because I'm planning for retirement doesn't mean I'm not able to enjoy myself now, but if I reach retirement age and find it a struggle to even buy a bologna sandwich, that won't be enjoyable. My parents are in their 80s
and so far haven't had to worry about money. That makes for a much more comfortable life for all involved.
 
Drawing at 62, waiting till 65/66 or 70 is dependent on ones needs and their certain situations. Drawing early coupled with excess income is going to cost you, not only is the SS income taxed, its likely going to put you in a higher bracket so that your other income tax bite will be higher. Can't say waiting is all that great of an idea either. You may avoid the higher brackets early on in trade for a roughly 8% a year increase in benefits, but if you can manage to wait your still most likely well off enough and will be paying taxes on the benefit at 70.

I'll be 62 later this year and applied for benefits a couple weeks ago. What drawing will do for me is reduce my need to draw from our IRA's to make living expenses. ie...taxes and healthcare. If I were lucky enough to not need to draw from our IRA's or SS to pay the bills I'd still draw. Bird in the hand. I'd take the SS or whatever excess income and invest it. My own personal investment data gives me greater returns than the 8% growth SS calculates for waiting till I'm older. On top of that, it's in my account and not a future promise of payment.
 
Caustic Burno said:
Hardnosecattleco said:
I never planned on the whole retirement thing. Granite I'm long ways away but my theory is I could die before that time so spend the money while I can and enjoy while I'm hear and not plan for something that I may not make.

My old neighbors widow is about to starve to death right now. Her husband had the same philosophy.

A lot of that going around these days. I feel for the ones where it's not self inflicted.
 
Caustic Burno said:
Hardnosecattleco said:
I never planned on the whole retirement thing. Granite I'm long ways away but my theory is I could die before that time so spend the money while I can and enjoy while I'm hear and not plan for something that I may not make.

My old neighbors widow is about to starve to death right now. Her husband had the same philosophy.

The wife had a cousin who worked for the state for 30+ years. Now PERS retirement in Washington you can set it up for a surviving spouse to get 50%, 75%, or 100% or you can leave nothing to the spouse. The more you set up for a surviving spouse the less you get. When this cousin retired he said I want every single cent I have coming. So he left no pension for his wife. He died 2 years after he retired. His widow now in her late 60's has a small SS check to live on.
 
Last I read you need 10 to 12 times your annual income as a nest egg.
Got to remember there are no more raises along with age the less income you will generate. With today's life expectancies your looking at 20 years of retirement.
 
I was fortunate that my reaching 65 and medicare fell into place as I was going to lose my full time status at work and therefore my insurance and full-time benefits. I waited until Jan of this year, as if you wait to take your "SS" in the year you qualify for "full retirement" which for me is 66, you can earn up into the 40,000 range. If you take it sooner, you have to give back 1 out of every 2 you get from SS over something like 17,000. I am using round figures. So by waiting til Jan 2019, the year I turn 66, I do not have to worry about making too much money at a job. Besides I never made over 30,000 in a year testing cows anyway. With farmers selling out and many testing less often, the handwriting was on the wall, and I was scheduled to lose my full time status the end of Dec 2018.
I talked to a financial planner several years ago, and they were pushing the work longer thing. I had/ and still have a very small amount in a 401K at work that they match a certain amount so I continue to contribute to that for as long as I can. But then one of my friends told me her financial advisor told her to take SS as soon as she could at 62.5. She also said that it would take something like 12 years before she would come out even in the $ by taking it earlier and getting less, or waiting and taking it later and getting more. She has diabetes, so it made sense to take it sooner, and her husband had died at a young age of like 55 so she had seen what that could mean.
So then I talked to the SS lady when I made an appointment to see what my options were. I was 64 1/2, then I think. She said of course she could not advise me. But gave me a chart that showed what I would get for each month I waited and how much it would amount to etc. and so on. She is the one who told me about the waiting to the year I turn 66 to be eligible for the increased income thing. So as it was falling apart at work slowly, I went back to SS in Sept of 2018 when I turned 65, got signed up for medicare and re-explored my options. That is when it seemed to make sense to wait until Jan of 2019, the year I am eligible for "full-retirement" at 66, and start taking it. I will never earn over the threshold so have no worries of SS taking anything "back" for over earning.

If I waited the extra 9 months from Jan to Sept, I wouldn't have gotten but about $50 /month more (can't really remember but it wasn't much). It would take til I am 78 to come out even, then I will get less over my lifetime by taking less. But what if I don't live as long as the family genes says? I can't set it up to benefit my son, only a spouse.... and I figure I have worked pretty hard for all they have taken, so I might as well get it now.
The 401K has done decent except when we all lost so much in 2008. I only ever put in the minimum that was matched as there just was never alot of income and I needed it to pay bills. Plus I didn't start testing cows until I was 38, and never had any retirement or 401 K before that. I have it in some pretty conservative stuff now, and it grows slowly. As long as I can, I will continue to contribute to it, and get the company match. It will only give me a couple hundred a month added income the way it is set up now, and since I don't need it now, not going to take it until I have to. The plan was for the cows/calf sales to supplement me some. I have slowly kept a few heifers here and there and added to "my herd" within our cattle operation. I planned to have it to average out to 2 calf sales a month - 24 calves a year- to be my extra income over and above SS. I also have the nurse cows that have to raise 3 calves a year based on dairy/holstein steer sales at $.50-.60 /lb. to make me any money.... 2 calves pay for the cow's costs and the 3rd is "profit".
I have tried to always figure low on my income side of the cattle sales. I don't actually "pay for" my cows' board on the farm...I work for "nothing" in exchange for their board and contribute to mineral costs and a couple of vet/pregnancy checks which is certainly not getting any cheaper!!!! I also buy my own grain for my nurse cows and creep feeding any calves at the one place.
I realize that the cattle prices have really gone south, and that it might not be a very good way to make any extra money... but one thing, I will always have beef in the freezer to eat if it gets too bad. And that is a bargaining chip too if too many people get to where they are in need of work and there is no money. Can pay help in beef.....

I have a garden normally, and can alot, and preserve food for the future. I will eat if nothing else, as long as I have some health that I can get out and do it.

I don't have any big desires to take trips, although I would like to go out west to see some sights, and see some people that I have gotten to know over the years. Like maybe a month or so a year for a couple of years.... once I get my ankle and knees worked on to where I can walk better. I live simply and just don't need alot. Don't have any grandchildren to spend money on and I am not much of a shopper.
Don't need a new vehicle, and all mine are paid for.

Don't know if I have it figured out but this seems to be my plan for the future. I have a good supplement ins along with the medicare, so hope that will take care of the worst. If there is a catastrophic event, I guess we will deal with it as best we can. I can survive on my SS and the added extra from the 401k, without too much hardship because I live simply.
 
Caustic Burno said:
My financial guy always says take SS as soon as possible. If you wait till 66 you will have to live to 78 to break even from taking at 62. The government is betting you will die before break even.

Once you make to 62, on average, you will live into your 80s. There are some online calculators where you can enter your stats and family medical history to get a personalized longevity estimate.

Was your financial guy assuming you will not live to age 78, or that you would not have a use for more money after age 78, or?
 
Stocker Steve said:
Caustic Burno said:
My financial guy always says take SS as soon as possible. If you wait till 66 you will have to live to 78 to break even from taking at 62. The government is betting you will die before break even.



Once you make to 62, on average, you will live into your 80s. There are some online calculators where you can enter your stats and family medical history to get a personalized longevity estimate.

Was your financial guy assuming you will not live to age 78, or that you would not have a use for more money after age 78, or?

Most don't make it that long.
He had some chart for every year you work past 60 your life expectancy goes down. From what I read your profession impacted it as much from having to work harder longer.
 
All it takes it one thing out of millions of different ways to die and I say a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush. If I make it to 62 I am not interested in playing games and trying to break even at 78. I would like to try and get back what I have paid in at least.
 
farmerjan said:
I don't have any big desires to take trips, although I would like to go out west to see some sights, and see some people that I have gotten to know over the years. Like maybe a month or so a year for a couple of years.... once I get my ankle and knees worked on to where I can walk better. I live simply and just don't need alot. Don't have any grandchildren to spend money on and I am not much of a shopper.
Don't need a new vehicle, and all mine are paid for.

Sounds a lot like me. I sometimes joke that I won't need as much money as some because I don't do anything. I'd rather have the enjoyment of the retired life than working on and on for the extra money.
 
Caustic Burno" Once you make to 62 said:
Most don't make it that long.
He had some chart for every year you work past 60 your life expectancy goes down. From what I read your profession impacted it as much from having to work harder longer.

Stress takes a big toll in some professions. That is why you hear all these stories about folks who die 6 months after they retire at 65. That is why they have the chart you mentioned. I heard it was originally based on technical folks at Boeing. An ex GE CEO and the 737 have hurt them recently.

Everyone is different. That is why I would run a longevity calculator. Mine says I will make mid 80s even though my health is not great. That is reasonable based on a score of aunts and uncles. Issue is how much can they enjoy retirement income in their 80s? Driving a couple miles in daylight, to go out to dinner for a senior special or attend a meat raffle, is about it.

Most planners at funds are quite conservative. They want you to leave a big pile in your 401K, which will go to your beneficiaries, who they will try to convince to leave it in the fund, so the money management fees compound on forever... That is even a better business than cattle. :nod:

So will all that cattle income plus 401K earnings - - a guy needs an aggressive spending plan in his 60s.
 
herofan said:
farmerjan said:
I don't have any big desires to take trips, although I would like to go out west to see some sights, and see some people that I have gotten to know over the years. Like maybe a month or so a year for a couple of years.... once I get my ankle and knees worked on to where I can walk better. I live simply and just don't need alot. Don't have any grandchildren to spend money on and I am not much of a shopper.
Don't need a new vehicle, and all mine are paid for.

Sounds a lot like me. I sometimes joke that I won't need as much money as some because I don't do anything. I'd rather have the enjoyment of the retired life than working on and on for the extra money.

The one thing that is unavoidable is medical expenses go up with age!
Bet I didn't see a Dr. three times before 50. Each time that front number on the odometer changes something needs repair. New hip's, shoulders, knees or back surgery. When we are having one of our breakfast at the wisdom table at the feed store you could almost make a titanium man from the participants parts.
 
Caustic Burno said:
herofan said:
farmerjan said:
I don't have any big desires to take trips, although I would like to go out west to see some sights, and see some people that I have gotten to know over the years. Like maybe a month or so a year for a couple of years.... once I get my ankle and knees worked on to where I can walk better. I live simply and just don't need alot. Don't have any grandchildren to spend money on and I am not much of a shopper.
Don't need a new vehicle, and all mine are paid for.

Sounds a lot like me. I sometimes joke that I won't need as much money as some because I don't do anything. I'd rather have the enjoyment of the retired life than working on and on for the extra money.

The one thing that is unavoidable is medical expenses go up with age!
Bet I didn't see a Dr. three times before 50. Each time that front number on the odometer changes something needs repair. New hip's, shoulders, knees or back surgery. When we are having one of our breakfast at the wisdom table at the feed store you could almost make a titanium man from the participants parts.

You got that right!
 
Caustic Burno said:
herofan said:
farmerjan said:
I don't have any big desires to take trips, although I would like to go out west to see some sights, and see some people that I have gotten to know over the years. Like maybe a month or so a year for a couple of years.... once I get my ankle and knees worked on to where I can walk better. I live simply and just don't need alot. Don't have any grandchildren to spend money on and I am not much of a shopper.
Don't need a new vehicle, and all mine are paid for.

Sounds a lot like me. I sometimes joke that I won't need as much money as some because I don't do anything. I'd rather have the enjoyment of the retired life than working on and on for the extra money.

The one thing that is unavoidable is medical expenses go up with age!
Bet I didn't see a Dr. three times before 50. Each time that front number on the odometer changes something needs repair. New hip's, shoulders, knees or back surgery. When we are having one of our breakfast at the wisdom table at the feed store you could almost make a titanium man from the participants parts.

I have noticed that also....
 
I too, maybe went to the doctor once every couple of years for either the usual female checkup, or for a sore throat that would usually mimic strep. Or a major problem like the accident in 1998 and the one in 2007 that did damage to the knee. Mine hit when I hit 60's. The hard pounding on concrete floors on my legs/knees/feet between waitressing and then milking cows and then milk testing has done a number. The ankle has really been very painful the past 2 years, the knee for at least 5. The ankle is getting replaced after the first of the year, after being told by several doctors that fusion was the only answer. Found a dr that said, noooooo, fusion is the very last thing you ever want to do... and after research, Duke Medical in NC has done the highest number of ankle replacements in the country and I have several very good local referrals. So, get that done, then the knee(s) next, then the shoulder. I joke that I will be the Bionic woman when I get everything replaced. But, why suffer in pain if they can replace it and give you years of comfortable life. I have tried every other route, prolotherapy and stem cell, and there are some things that have helped but most of the things I tried, were too late to repair the damage that was too far advanced. I worked hard for these aches and pains, let the medical experts "fix" them and give me some comfortable retirement time. I EARNED my retirement time and my medicare paying for fixing the worn out stuff.
 
farmerjan said:
I too, maybe went to the doctor once every couple of years for either the usual female checkup, or for a sore throat that would usually mimic strep. Or a major problem like the accident in 1998 and the one in 2007 that did damage to the knee. Mine hit when I hit 60's. The hard pounding on concrete floors on my legs/knees/feet between waitressing and then milking cows and then milk testing has done a number. The ankle has really been very painful the past 2 years, the knee for at least 5. The ankle is getting replaced after the first of the year, after being told by several doctors that fusion was the only answer. Found a dr that said, noooooo, fusion is the very last thing you ever want to do... and after research, Duke Medical in NC has done the highest number of ankle replacements in the country and I have several very good local referrals. So, get that done, then the knee(s) next, then the shoulder. I joke that I will be the Bionic woman when I get everything replaced. But, why suffer in pain if they can replace it and give you years of comfortable life. I have tried every other route, prolotherapy and stem cell, and there are some things that have helped but most of the things I tried, were too late to repair the damage that was too far advanced. I worked hard for these aches and pains, let the medical experts "fix" them and give me some comfortable retirement time. I EARNED my retirement time and my medicare paying for fixing the worn out stuff.

Ain't socialism great. We participate all the time and do not realize it.
 
The guy has a few miles on the odometer and still looks to be in good shape.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/the-oldest-living-world-war-ii-veteran-turned-110-with-a-heartwarming-birthday-party-at-the-national-world-war-ii-museum/ar-AAHd5dQ?li=BBnb7Kz
 
The only reason I work off the farm, is to provide good medical and a comfortable retirement. My husband does pay into SS but it won't be much. We also add additional money to our mortgage every month to knock it down about 12 years and save thousands in interest.
 
hurleyjd said:
farmerjan said:
I too, maybe went to the doctor once every couple of years for either the usual female checkup, or for a sore throat that would usually mimic strep. Or a major problem like the accident in 1998 and the one in 2007 that did damage to the knee. Mine hit when I hit 60's. The hard pounding on concrete floors on my legs/knees/feet between waitressing and then milking cows and then milk testing has done a number. The ankle has really been very painful the past 2 years, the knee for at least 5. The ankle is getting replaced after the first of the year, after being told by several doctors that fusion was the only answer. Found a dr that said, noooooo, fusion is the very last thing you ever want to do... and after research, Duke Medical in NC has done the highest number of ankle replacements in the country and I have several very good local referrals. So, get that done, then the knee(s) next, then the shoulder. I joke that I will be the Bionic woman when I get everything replaced. But, why suffer in pain if they can replace it and give you years of comfortable life. I have tried every other route, prolotherapy and stem cell, and there are some things that have helped but most of the things I tried, were too late to repair the damage that was too far advanced. I worked hard for these aches and pains, let the medical experts "fix" them and give me some comfortable retirement time. I EARNED my retirement time and my medicare paying for fixing the worn out stuff.

Ain't socialism great. We participate all the time and do not realize it.

Yep, since we don't have a choice to participate or not, then I am going to get all back out of it I can.
 
farmerjan said:
hurleyjd said:
farmerjan said:
I too, maybe went to the doctor once every couple of years for either the usual female checkup, or for a sore throat that would usually mimic strep. Or a major problem like the accident in 1998 and the one in 2007 that did damage to the knee. Mine hit when I hit 60's. The hard pounding on concrete floors on my legs/knees/feet between waitressing and then milking cows and then milk testing has done a number. The ankle has really been very painful the past 2 years, the knee for at least 5. The ankle is getting replaced after the first of the year, after being told by several doctors that fusion was the only answer. Found a dr that said, noooooo, fusion is the very last thing you ever want to do... and after research, Duke Medical in NC has done the highest number of ankle replacements in the country and I have several very good local referrals. So, get that done, then the knee(s) next, then the shoulder. I joke that I will be the Bionic woman when I get everything replaced. But, why suffer in pain if they can replace it and give you years of comfortable life. I have tried every other route, prolotherapy and stem cell, and there are some things that have helped but most of the things I tried, were too late to repair the damage that was too far advanced. I worked hard for these aches and pains, let the medical experts "fix" them and give me some comfortable retirement time. I EARNED my retirement time and my medicare paying for fixing the worn out stuff.

Ain't socialism great. We participate all the time and do not realize it.

Yep, since we don't have a choice to participate or not, then I am going to get all back out of it I can.


Got that right! What a screwing socialism gave us. I was forced to pay into a system along with my employer and received no interest for over thirty years on a program designed to pay back less than what is paid in.
Socialism is great for the bum for sure.
If the US government wants to cut me a check for what the company and I paid into my "account " I will gladly release them from their obligations.

Dang right I entitled to this Socialist program that forced me to participate interest free to pay leaches of the Great Society that never paid to play.
Socialism is great way to buy votes of the leaches off the backs of working people.
 

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