Grass ID

[kenny thomas]

Haven't ID'd it yet, but definitely not perennial ryegrass.

Why do you say it isnt perennial ryegrass? Im relying on my Plant ID app so im sure its possible it isnt.

 

[greybeard]

I have perennial ryegrass seeded out here as part of erosion control effort I seeded last summer late, in part of my yard. Been too wet to mow. It doesn't look like that.

 

[Lucky_P]

Perennial (and annual, for that matter) ryegrass seedheads have these alternating groups of seeds on an undulating stem. Looks nothing like those in the the original photos

 

[kenny thomas]

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Perennial (and annual, for that matter) ryegrass seedheads have these alternating groups of seeds on an undulating stem. Looks nothing like those in the the original photos

My thought was that since it was just heading out that the seed had not spread out from the stem yet.
Best thing is that his cows ate it as soon as it was available to them.

 

[M.Magis]

Whatever it is, it would be much easier to ID if the seedhead was open. I would have guessed quackgrass.

 

[kenny thomas]

Whatever it is, it would be much easier to ID if the seedhead was open. I would have guessed quackgrass.

I think the seedhead not being open is making it look different and not as easy to identify.

 

[Mark Reynolds]

Why do you say it isnt perennial ryegrass? Im relying on my Plant ID app so im sure its possible it isnt.

The seedhead isn't fully expanded by far. All of the 'seeds' will be attached directly to the rachis in perennial rye. This seedhead/inflorescence is going to be/is a panicle when fully developed. I'm going to guess your plant ID is recognizing a rachis rather than a panicle that isn't fully expanded.

Forgive my use of terminology as I haven't used some of this in quite some time, although I know what I'm looking at. I can't right now, but I'll try to get some pictures to illustrate what I'm saying here.

 

[Twisted]

Virginia or Eastern Wild Rye, ryegrass

 

[ClinchValley86]

I will see if I can find it this morning. There were a few clumps across the field.

The way seed comes off the stem on ryegrass, it's definitely not that. The seed is arranged more similarly to fescue. Though the leaves and stem are definitely different.

It's got a color similar to Timothy. And kinda has structure similar to Timothy. It's pretty thick stemmed. But has a fescue looking seedhead. Maybe it's something that is two things combined in nature.

 

[M.Magis]

I'm not really seeing the similarity to fescue.

 

[kenny thomas]

I'm not really seeing the similarity to fescue.

I promise you its not fescue. I rely on fescue 11 months of the year.

 

[Mrcopier]

It's rye grass I have 55 acres of it

 

[ClinchValley86]

I'm not really seeing the similarity to fescue.

The only similarity is the seedhead before it spreads out.

I've lost it in the field now. Will be April before I see it again I suppose.

 

[ClinchValley86]

It's rye grass I have 55 acres of it

I promise you it is not. I have ryegrass here too.

Completely different color, seedhead formation, etc. It does not have the waxy leaves either.

Is it possible for two types of grass to cross/hybridized on their own?

 

[gman4691]

I use an app called "seek"…I think it is somehow related to inaturalist…don't know if you can use the photo you have for seek to identity but you can upload the photo in inaturalist and can probably get a fairly quick response…I'm with some of the others here in that it doesn't look like perennial rye grass…let us know what you find out …I've used seek to identify several weeds/grasses this year…seems to be fairly reliable….inaturalist has always come through for me…another thing I've found is if you tap the little information icon beneath the photo on your phone, it will sometimes give you the identification - not sure how accurate it is…only discovered that a couple of weeks ago…never mind on the iPhone trick - it says it's perennial rye - inaturalist May be your best bet

 

[ClinchValley86]

I found another clump yesterday. Has the thinnest little seeds.

 

[kenny thomas]

My app is saying quackgrass but not with a high degree of certainty. Im not confident in what it is.
I rode through some of my paddocks that havent been grazed and cant find any of it. But i sure got way more grass than cattle to eat it.

 

[Mark Reynolds]

I found another clump yesterday. Has the thinnest little seeds.

Oh, my! OK. that thought had crossed my mind. Anyone else notice the "W" on the leaves? It's brome! The seeds look somewhat uncharacteristically thin, but there is no doubt in my mind on the ID.

 

[Mark Reynolds]

Do we like it?

@ClinchValley86, after figuring out it is brome, the answer to this is yes. It's present where you are, but not near as common as north of you and north of me for that matter. Well, in reference to southern Ohio anyway.

 

[Mark Reynolds]