Diesel shortage

[kenny thomas]

Not sure what the reason but on road diesel was 5.70 and off road was 4.99 at
The terminal in Knoxville TN this afternoon. Add 5 cents to haul it here. We are still able to get several tractor trailer loads a day but some companies aren't able to get any.
We are being told it could get really bad next week.
Not trying to do anything but give some information. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[jltrent]

I noticed we are getting electric buses. Maybe that is the plan. Five years from now if I live to see it there will be a lot pushed down our throats.

 

[Travlr]

The only thing that never changes is that everything changes.

 

[kenny thomas]

I noticed we are getting electric buses. Maybe that is the plan. Five years from now if I live to see it there will be a lot pushed down our throats.

Did you notice it said for town use only. And the charging system for 2 busses is over 40k.

 

[jltrent]

Did you notice it said for town use only. And the charging system for 2 busses is over 40k.

I am way behind as I don't believe there is global warming. Seems like a lot of waste to me, but we must have plenty of money.

 

[kenny thomas]

Dont worry the gubbment is paying for it. Didn't you see the camel's speech the other day.

It's terrible to say but I work so many hours I don't see much. I read the paper yesterday as I was pumping 4500 gallon of fuel.

 

[Travlr]

Did you notice it said for town use only. And the charging system for 2 busses is over 40k.

I'm betting it pencils out. The electrics will outlast diesels with less maintenance, and the diesels probably get 3/5 MPG @ $5+ per gallon.

 

[Named'em Tamed'em]

Our local transit agency is getting electric busses with no way to charge them.

 

[kenny thomas]

Our local transit agency is getting electric busses with no way to charge them.

That's smart.

 

[Named'em Tamed'em]

That's smart.

When it's not your money, people and organizations tend to spend it freely. Sadly

 

[kenny thomas]

I'm betting it pencils out. The electrics will outlast diesels with less maintenance, and the diesels probably get 3/5 MPG @ $5+ per gallon.

$790,000 for 2 busses and charging equipment. Somehow I don't see it penciling out.
Plus anything that goes wrong we will have to get someone besides our bus shop to work on it.

 

[greybeard]

$790,000 for 2 busses and charging equipment. Somehow I don't see it penciling out.

He didn't say which color the pencil would be writing..

 

[Named'em Tamed'em]

And the bus runs around with 6-10 weirdos on it! Except early commute .

 

[Travlr]

$790,000 for 2 busses and charging equipment. Somehow I don't see it penciling out.
Plus anything that goes wrong we will have to get someone besides our bus shop to work on it.

Well a new diesel bus costs about 250/280K and have probably gone up. Plus all the infrastructure involved using internal combustion engines. Fuel and oil aren't cheap, filters etc. And electrics have a lot less moving parts and are easier to work on. Lifespan should be improved.

There's reasons trains are powered by electric motors even when those motors are powered by diesel generators.

I also know there are downsides to electric. Battery disposal/recycle comes to mind.

I don't know what the actual figures are... but I'd like to see them.

 

[kenny thomas]

I sure hope you are correct

 

[Travlr]

I sure hope you are correct

I don't have a conclusion.

 

[Buck Randall]

Well a new diesel bus costs about 250/280K and have probably gone up. Plus all the infrastructure involved using internal combustion engines. Fuel and oil aren't cheap, filters etc. And electrics have a lot less moving parts and are easier to work on. Lifespan should be improved.

There's reasons trains are powered by electric motors even when those motors are powered by diesel generators.

I also know there are downsides to electric. Battery disposal/recycle comes to mind.

I don't know what the actual figures are... but I'd like to see them.

Here are some actual figures. My eyes glazed over and the only conclusion I could form was "it's complicated".

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/80022.pdf

 

[GoWyo]

Did you notice it said for town use only. And the charging system for 2 busses is over 40k.

Town use only because if they can crowd is all into towns (and "rewild" the rural areas) then no one needs to go anywhere except around town.

 

[Buck Randall]

Town use only because if they can crowd is all into towns (and "rewild" the rural areas) then no one needs to go anywhere except around town.

Most buses never leave town, anyway.

 

[kenny thomas]

These are school busses and the town is very small.