Ashton V
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jscunn, thanks for all the info. I know an older farmer that swears by the setup you mentioned. He uses all black baldy cows and breeds them to either a balancer or limo bull.
´robert":1gcjxp75 said:there's lots of good research that will tell you exactly what you want to hear, in the absence of good management however all bets are off.....
That is strange. A neighbor raises Gert and Commercail cows bred to Gert bulls. He hauls the calves to OK to sell and nets more dollars then if he sells them around here or even in Joplin He gets enough more per load down there that it far outweighs the hauling costs.3MR":1xf7eo1k said:You are correct about staying away from noticable ear here. You will get docked at the sale.
3MR":3qi23u2c said:Ashton - Where are you planning on selling them. BWF are good, but I routinely get more for the solid black hide than I do for the baldies. I sell in either Apache or OKC. I wouldnt turn down a good Baldie cow for anything though and there is definitely something to be said for the increased heterosis.
My personal opinion to your question is I would buy either BWF or Hereford cows, preference being on BWF and put a quality Angus bull on them. Dont let missinformation about Angus bulls on here scare you away. I have six, they are all docile as lambs with no bad attitude whatsoever and they only get worked about three times a year.
You are correct about staying away from noticable ear here. You will get docked at the sale.
dun":yaypv9wm said:That is strange. A neighbor raises Gert and Commercail cows bred to Gert bulls. He hauls the calves to OK to sell and nets more dollars then if he sells them around here or even in Joplin He gets enough more per load down there that it far outweighs the hauling costs.3MR":yaypv9wm said:You are correct about staying away from noticable ear here. You will get docked at the sale.
He got old.3MR":10qo379g said:What happened to him?
jack1234":jxtqjxui said:jscunn's advice is on the mark. But everything is about the averages. Really, there's probably more variation within each breed than between them. I'd say just go with what's cheaper/easier/aesthetic pleasing to your sensibilities.
And to set the record straight on brahman influenced cattle in the south-- replacement F1 heifers (and brangus) receive a premium, but the brahman influenced calves on their way to feedlots will still be docked. However, in the hot/humid climate it's still economical b/c you get more lbs of calf weaned/exposed female than you would with pure European. Better cow fertility, cow longevity, calf survival, calf weaning weight, less healthcare costs, etc.
see thats where the problem is, you being in OK. theres really no reason to have ""much"" brahman influence.. unless it a personal preferance and if so then a person should not be offended by a dock... if my market wants angus, by cracky their gonna get angus :cowboy:Ashton V":3n7sprrf said:jack1234":3n7sprrf said:jscunn's advice is on the mark. But everything is about the averages. Really, there's probably more variation within each breed than between them. I'd say just go with what's cheaper/easier/aesthetic pleasing to your sensibilities.
And to set the record straight on brahman influenced cattle in the south-- replacement F1 heifers (and brangus) receive a premium, but the brahman influenced calves on their way to feedlots will still be docked. However, in the hot/humid climate it's still economical b/c you get more lbs of calf weaned/exposed female than you would with pure European. Better cow fertility, cow longevity, calf survival, calf weaning weight, less healthcare costs, etc.
That is true. If you have a brangus calf that looks pure angus and doesn't have any ear on it you really come away nicely because of all the extra weight. But some brangus calves have a lot of ear and some don't.
cleland":2i2yp3fi said:How about throw the angus out.
Go with a set of herford cows and a homo black gelbvieh bull
or a set of black gelbvieh cows and a hereford bull.
Either way your gonna get the black baldies you want, you wont have attitude problems with the gelbvieh and I can promise you more growth with either scenario vs the angus cross, not to mention the replacements heifers would be as good as you can ask for.