Balancer or SimAngus

[Lon]

What do you folks think the benefits and drawbacks of each of these are?

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Dang Lon no comments at all. If you would have ask about a Limflex, at least someone would have told you it was a bad idea.

 

[Lon]

actually i have been talking to a few people with limflex. they said if they were commercial that all they would run. so i have been pondering that as well. i know one person that runs balancers and another that has some sim angus both say no difference than thier angus cows. hard for me to see that though.

 

[angusdave63]

i would say that here in indiana the simm-angus are really big there are starting to be a few balancers and i really like the limflex i have seen but for some reason i will stick with english based cattle almost bought a gelbveih bull this spring but ended up with a red poll i am gonna breed him to angus and a couple charolais cows this summer cant wait to see how they turn out jmo David

 

[3waycross]

What is the general makeup of your cowherd? Are they predominately Angus, Herf, something else?

 

[houstoncutter]

is this bull to be used as a terminal bull?

 

[Lon]

What is the general makeup of your cowherd? Are they predominately Angus, Herf, something else?

im looking at 2 different sets of cows right now. one set is angus cows the other set is an angus saler cross.

i guess i am pondering a few different ways to go right now have talked to some very knowledgeable people about them so was looking for someone that could give me some good info about either a balancer or simangus crossed with saler to make cows. then breed back to lim or char for terminal.
the balancers i have seen raise a good calf off of just grass and hay and the simangus i have seen raise a whopper of a calf but they take some feed. but i only know of one set of both i have seen so didnt want to base it off of just what one person does.

 

[3waycross]

What is the general makeup of your cowherd? Are they predominately Angus, Herf, something else?

im looking at 2 different sets of cows right now. one set is angus cows the other set is an angus saler cross.

i guess i am pondering a few different ways to go right now have talked to some very knowledgeable people about them so was looking for someone that could give me some good info about either a balancer or simangus crossed with saler to make cows. then breed back to lim or char for terminal.
the balancers i have seen raise a good calf off of just grass and hay and the simangus i have seen raise a whopper of a calf but they take some feed. but i only know of one set of both i have seen so didnt want to base it off of just what one person does.

I'd go straight Gelbvieh on the Angus cows and a balancer on the Angus/Saler crosses to keep th Angus level at 50%. The GV Angus cross heifers would make great replacements and you could run a balancer bull on them all the time.

 

[Boss Cowman]

I'd go straight Gelbvieh on the Angus cows and a balancer on the Angus/Saler crosses to keep th Angus level at 50%. The GV Angus cross heifers would make great replacements and you could run a balancer bull on them all the time

Perfect!!! The only saler cattle we've had were high headed, snorty, nasty things that I wouldn't wish on anybody. So I'd opt with the angus cows and a purebred GV bull then retain replacements.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I never placed much stock in either as in my books they are crossbred bulls. Kinda always looked at it like bass lures made to catch fisherman not fish. Just me I always wanted a straight bred bull to put on my cows, always figured I have enough to go wrong around here, without wondering what is going to pop out of the woodpile with these type bulls.

 

[Lon]

I'd go straight Gelbvieh on the Angus cows and a balancer on the Angus/Saler crosses to keep th Angus level at 50%. The GV Angus cross heifers would make great replacements and you could run a balancer bull on them all the time

Perfect!!! The only saler cattle we've had were high headed, snorty, nasty things that I wouldn't wish on anybody. So I'd opt with the angus cows and a purebred GV bull then retain replacements.

yeah the salers i was always around would take ya if given the chance. the ones i have are out of that same stock and they are alot calmer though. they seem to remember everything that happens better than most other so if something gets them riled up u can bet they will never forget. talked to a guy though crossin them on red poll and he said he gets his bulls from a guy up here is SD from over buy vermillion and have never had a disposition problem with them. said angus were way worse and even had a few red poll that would take ya but the cows they got out of that guys breeding were calm as could get as long as stayed calm with them.

 

[Lon]

I never placed much stock in either as in my books they are crossbred bulls. Kinda always looked at it like bass lures made to catch fisherman not fish. Just me I always wanted a straight bred bull to put on my cows, always figured I have enough to go wrong around here, without wondering what is going to pop out of the woodpile with these type bulls.

do you mean you can get to many traits resembling just one breed or the other or what kind of problems are you getting at? if ya dont mind tellin as i will be new to the whole pickin out my own bulls part of the business.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I never placed much stock in either as in my books they are crossbred bulls. Kinda always looked at it like bass lures made to catch fisherman not fish. Just me I always wanted a straight bred bull to put on my cows, always figured I have enough to go wrong around here, without wondering what is going to pop out of the woodpile with these type bulls.

do you mean you can get to many traits resembling just one breed or the other or what kind of problems are you getting at? if ya dont mind tellin as i will be new to the whole pickin out my own bulls part of the business.

As much as I like Brangus it is still a composite breed you can look at a herd of Brangus cows and some show more Brimmer traits some more Angus. Putting Brangus on Herefords is increased BW and WW putting Hereford on Brangus is decreased BW increased WW. The latter is my preference I can't sell a dead calf. Even through composites are supposed to be standarized you still have Brimmer DNA and Angus DNA and I don't get to pick which one is used.
My :2cents:

 

[cbcr]

I never placed much stock in either as in my books they are crossbred bulls. Kinda always looked at it like bass lures made to catch fisherman not fish. Just me I always wanted a straight bred bull to put on my cows, always figured I have enough to go wrong around here, without wondering what is going to pop out of the woodpile with these type bulls.

Caustic,

It has been proven in research at MARC that Composit/Hybrid/Crossbred bull just as crossbred cows are better at producing consistent calves with the right amount of British and Continental influence.

Usining these type of bulls keeps a consistent amount of hybrid vigor in a herd as well.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I never placed much stock in either as in my books they are crossbred bulls. Kinda always looked at it like bass lures made to catch fisherman not fish. Just me I always wanted a straight bred bull to put on my cows, always figured I have enough to go wrong around here, without wondering what is going to pop out of the woodpile with these type bulls.

Caustic,

It has been proven in research at MARC that Composit/Hybrid/Crossbred bull just as crossbred cows are better at producing consistent calves with the right amount of British and Continental influence.

Usining these type of bulls keeps a consistent amount of hybrid vigor in a herd as well.

I will never believe it on crossbred cows to many crayons in the box. .
I have a set of chains here almost wore out from being young and dumb.
Fact a two way cross yeilds 10% in hybred vigor 3 way up to 20% 4 way all bets are off.

 

[DOC HARRIS]

I never placed much stock in either as in my books they are crossbred bulls. Kinda always looked at it like bass lures made to catch fisherman not fish. Just me I always wanted a straight bred bull to put on my cows, always figured I have enough to go wrong around here, without wondering what is going to pop out of the woodpile with these type bulls.

Caustic,

It has been proven in research at MARC that Composit/Hybrid/Crossbred bull just as crossbred cows are better at producing consistent calves with the right amount of British and Continental influence.

Usining these type of bulls keeps a consistent amount of hybrid vigor in a herd as well.

I will never believe it on crossbred cows to many crayons in the box. .
I have a set of chains here almost wore out from being young and dumb.
Fact a two way cross yeilds 10% in hybred vigor 3 way up to 20% 4 way all bets are off.

Caustic-

This flys in the face of proven and legitimate deep investigative breeding protocols by a very respected group of beef breeding professionals using concentrated investigative technics!

In spite of all of the proven results over time, it is your option to think and feel any way that you wish. It is a shame, though, to be so determined and reluctant to accept facts that you cut off your nose to spite your face. One does not have to remain young and dumb - forever! I would suggest that you investigate the results from MARC, and then criticize any details that you feel are erroneous and deceptive. You might quote the source(s) of your "hybrid vigor" percentages - and the date(s) acquired! That way, we have a basis for discussion rather than just "long-held opinions", which may be out of date and proven to be so by more exacting information, evidence and data.

DOC HARRIS

 

[3waycross]

Ok lets make this easy. Here is why we cross Gelbvieh's on Angus. Meet my pick for heifer of the year. 5 weeks old and gettin prettier every day. She is a 3/4 sister to the 4H heifer I posted on another thread and maybe a better heifer. :cowboy:

 

[cbcr]

Right you are, PERFECT combination

 

[Lon]

Ok lets make this easy. Here is why we cross Gelbvieh's on Angus. Meet my pick for heifer of the year. 5 weeks old and gettin prettier every day. She is a 3/4 sister to the 4H heifer I posted on another thread and maybe a better heifer. :cowboy:

between your pictures of calves and your pic of that red bull your making a retty strong argument. :tiphat:

 

[3waycross]

I'd be lyin if I said I had reached a point where they are all that good. But I am sure trying to get there. :cboy: