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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1819017" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>[USER=43196]@Mark Reynolds[/USER] , this owner is my son's age, and was raised here on a small farm... married into this place, and now that the father died, they have moved from their other house to here and so he has more time to be the "landowner".... and the deer plots thing is STUPID.... because he knows better with the population of deer here that are over running things... we have a 10 acre orchard grass field there that we make hay on in the bottom along the road.... and make hay on 2 other sections of what we used to run cattle on... and he is the "know it all "big wildlife expert huntsman"....</p><p>the plots are supposed to help the bucks grow bigger antlers... which would be fine if they would stay on his property... BUT... with the fields turning into more trash where we are not making any hay, the deer are going to the 2 other neighbors that run cattle and make hay and they are being shot because they are multiplying at a 150-200% rate... and he says you can't shoot any does... which is totally stupid with the over population.... so the bucks will never get bigger and better because the deer are overcrowding the available forage in the winter... </p><p>For 20 years we "managed" the fields with the cattle on for 6 months... 1st of Dec through June...off for the summer growing and stockpiling for 5-6 months.... cut one cutting of hay off the 2 pasture fields then let it regrow for winter grazing...cows were locked off those fields by mid march.... (the orchard grass field is not fenced so never grazed) There are more turkeys there than there ever were... even with a healthy grey fox population as there is a breeding pair and she had 8 one year and at least 6 the following year... we kept the trash from overtaking things with once a year bush hogging .... and now he is letting it go to hell with not any maintenance and the deer are in the orchard grass field more than they have ever been and in the neighbors fields... including eating hay with their cows... and since we do not have cattle there to feed every winter with the hay made there... we move the hay and feed at other places... the cattle are not putting back the nutrients... manure/urine... and due to steepness of getting up and down the hill to the top hayfield.. it is getting only commercial fertilizer now with no added organic matter put back into the ground... my son does not bring down 2 big rolls off that hill unless the weather is perfect or he could lose the truck on the steepness... he is not taking the litter truck up there to spread... the commercial fertilizer truck guy hates to go up there and only takes a partial load... enough to just cover the 2 fields up top... he has been doing it for years, and goes places that no sensible person would go... but tells son that he spreads the OG field first and takes the rest up and tries to make sure he has enough ( has all those gauges and such) but that he will NOT take more than just enough up there... </p><p>I go up it with the 4600 ford with the tedder or the rake and come down in 1st, low range.... taking no chances... won't drive a 2 wd truck up it for slipping on the shaly spots. </p><p>His land, his management, his stupidity....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1819017, member: 25884"] [USER=43196]@Mark Reynolds[/USER] , this owner is my son's age, and was raised here on a small farm... married into this place, and now that the father died, they have moved from their other house to here and so he has more time to be the "landowner".... and the deer plots thing is STUPID.... because he knows better with the population of deer here that are over running things... we have a 10 acre orchard grass field there that we make hay on in the bottom along the road.... and make hay on 2 other sections of what we used to run cattle on... and he is the "know it all "big wildlife expert huntsman".... the plots are supposed to help the bucks grow bigger antlers... which would be fine if they would stay on his property... BUT... with the fields turning into more trash where we are not making any hay, the deer are going to the 2 other neighbors that run cattle and make hay and they are being shot because they are multiplying at a 150-200% rate... and he says you can't shoot any does... which is totally stupid with the over population.... so the bucks will never get bigger and better because the deer are overcrowding the available forage in the winter... For 20 years we "managed" the fields with the cattle on for 6 months... 1st of Dec through June...off for the summer growing and stockpiling for 5-6 months.... cut one cutting of hay off the 2 pasture fields then let it regrow for winter grazing...cows were locked off those fields by mid march.... (the orchard grass field is not fenced so never grazed) There are more turkeys there than there ever were... even with a healthy grey fox population as there is a breeding pair and she had 8 one year and at least 6 the following year... we kept the trash from overtaking things with once a year bush hogging .... and now he is letting it go to hell with not any maintenance and the deer are in the orchard grass field more than they have ever been and in the neighbors fields... including eating hay with their cows... and since we do not have cattle there to feed every winter with the hay made there... we move the hay and feed at other places... the cattle are not putting back the nutrients... manure/urine... and due to steepness of getting up and down the hill to the top hayfield.. it is getting only commercial fertilizer now with no added organic matter put back into the ground... my son does not bring down 2 big rolls off that hill unless the weather is perfect or he could lose the truck on the steepness... he is not taking the litter truck up there to spread... the commercial fertilizer truck guy hates to go up there and only takes a partial load... enough to just cover the 2 fields up top... he has been doing it for years, and goes places that no sensible person would go... but tells son that he spreads the OG field first and takes the rest up and tries to make sure he has enough ( has all those gauges and such) but that he will NOT take more than just enough up there... I go up it with the 4600 ford with the tedder or the rake and come down in 1st, low range.... taking no chances... won't drive a 2 wd truck up it for slipping on the shaly spots. His land, his management, his stupidity.... [/QUOTE]
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