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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1391471" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>WalnutCrest ; after reading all that you did for that heifer with the frozen hoof, and the ET work you do, I surely am humbled that you think my experiences with cows will help anyone much. </p><p> We are a fairly big operation I guess in compared to some here, but I don't think that my experiences are all that extensive. Just alot of trial and error. But if I help one person, then I am glad to try. </p><p>We do a fair amount of buying and selling as a way to turn over dollars, and also gives us some leeway to cull and keep the better producing cows so hopefully the more profitable. I just think so many think that they get some animals and then want to "fix" them right away and it just doesn't work that fast. </p><p> With all the years I have in the dairy industry, milking, and milk testing and all, and spending time listening to vets at meetings about the concentrated feeding systems and rations for dairy cows, I have learned that just putting grain into an animal can cause more harm than good. The dairy rations nowadays are so fine tuned that if something gets a little off, the cows can get into trouble so quick. And that is big money in lost production...with today's milk prices that is a disaster in a hurry.</p><p>So we have tried to incorporate into our beef operation the practices of both types of cows, and walk a line between both. I do supplement my dairy animals that I use as nurse cows, but I am asking them to feed 2-4 calves at a time and they will milk all the fat off their back and then get into a negative energy balance and not cycle or have poor heats and not breed back if I don't supplement them. But it's not cheap, and takes months to get them back into condition if they get too thin.</p><p>Same thing is a beef animal won't get in good condition in 2 weeks time. But if she is FULL on hay, and the rumen working good, then a little supplementation will go a long way to weight gain and condition improvement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1391471, member: 25884"] WalnutCrest ; after reading all that you did for that heifer with the frozen hoof, and the ET work you do, I surely am humbled that you think my experiences with cows will help anyone much. We are a fairly big operation I guess in compared to some here, but I don't think that my experiences are all that extensive. Just alot of trial and error. But if I help one person, then I am glad to try. We do a fair amount of buying and selling as a way to turn over dollars, and also gives us some leeway to cull and keep the better producing cows so hopefully the more profitable. I just think so many think that they get some animals and then want to "fix" them right away and it just doesn't work that fast. With all the years I have in the dairy industry, milking, and milk testing and all, and spending time listening to vets at meetings about the concentrated feeding systems and rations for dairy cows, I have learned that just putting grain into an animal can cause more harm than good. The dairy rations nowadays are so fine tuned that if something gets a little off, the cows can get into trouble so quick. And that is big money in lost production...with today's milk prices that is a disaster in a hurry. So we have tried to incorporate into our beef operation the practices of both types of cows, and walk a line between both. I do supplement my dairy animals that I use as nurse cows, but I am asking them to feed 2-4 calves at a time and they will milk all the fat off their back and then get into a negative energy balance and not cycle or have poor heats and not breed back if I don't supplement them. But it's not cheap, and takes months to get them back into condition if they get too thin. Same thing is a beef animal won't get in good condition in 2 weeks time. But if she is FULL on hay, and the rumen working good, then a little supplementation will go a long way to weight gain and condition improvement. [/QUOTE]
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