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<blockquote data-quote="Brute 23" data-source="post: 1849899" data-attributes="member: 6291"><p>Beefmaster, and especially Gert, still carry a lot of skin. Some breeders in the BM breed have really cleaned up their cattle but very few have in the Gert world, from what I have seen.</p><p></p><p>It's not about how much Brahman but more about how clean the Brahman influence is.</p><p></p><p>If you are just trying to make females and went back with a Red Angus or Hereford, those females could be ok and you could work with their offspring if you had like a Black Angus bull, as an example.</p><p></p><p>In my experience, for some one going to the auction barn, that is more skin than you can dilute in one breeding.</p><p></p><p>When they look at cattle for the feedlot around here they are grouped 1/4 or less, 3/8-1/2, more than 1/2, Brahman. They don't actually know the breeding but it's judged on the big dopey ears and how much skin under the kneck. You can get away with some navel. You can take a fairly clean F1 and go to like an Angus and get in that 1/4 or less group. But, if you get an F1 with a lot of skin, like those, you will likely get bumped in to the 1/2-3/8, even with a straight Angus bull. Same for composites like Brangus. If they are really clean, you might slip a Brangus on Brangus calf in the 1/4 and less group but if they are not clean, the will drop down.</p><p></p><p>This goes back to why I believe 1/4 cattle are the best moms for the vast majority of people, especially in Texas. I can run a 1/4 cow down here, especially a Braford, and do just fine on heat tolerance. When I go back to a Balck Angus bull the calves are pretty much guaranteed to go in the 1/4 or less category amd sell at the top. There are also better odds on fertility and temperament.</p><p></p><p>They ship the 1/4 ear and less calves out of Texas all the way up to Kansas and they still perform. That is why that group brings the most money. It's the best of both worlds, considering the circumstances.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brute 23, post: 1849899, member: 6291"] Beefmaster, and especially Gert, still carry a lot of skin. Some breeders in the BM breed have really cleaned up their cattle but very few have in the Gert world, from what I have seen. It's not about how much Brahman but more about how clean the Brahman influence is. If you are just trying to make females and went back with a Red Angus or Hereford, those females could be ok and you could work with their offspring if you had like a Black Angus bull, as an example. In my experience, for some one going to the auction barn, that is more skin than you can dilute in one breeding. When they look at cattle for the feedlot around here they are grouped 1/4 or less, 3/8-1/2, more than 1/2, Brahman. They don't actually know the breeding but it's judged on the big dopey ears and how much skin under the kneck. You can get away with some navel. You can take a fairly clean F1 and go to like an Angus and get in that 1/4 or less group. But, if you get an F1 with a lot of skin, like those, you will likely get bumped in to the 1/2-3/8, even with a straight Angus bull. Same for composites like Brangus. If they are really clean, you might slip a Brangus on Brangus calf in the 1/4 and less group but if they are not clean, the will drop down. This goes back to why I believe 1/4 cattle are the best moms for the vast majority of people, especially in Texas. I can run a 1/4 cow down here, especially a Braford, and do just fine on heat tolerance. When I go back to a Balck Angus bull the calves are pretty much guaranteed to go in the 1/4 or less category amd sell at the top. There are also better odds on fertility and temperament. They ship the 1/4 ear and less calves out of Texas all the way up to Kansas and they still perform. That is why that group brings the most money. It's the best of both worlds, considering the circumstances. [/QUOTE]
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