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<blockquote data-quote="Son of Butch" data-source="post: 1540459" data-attributes="member: 14585"><p>The numbers above are not actual averages per se .... </p><p>I believe you are quoting sire summary numbers which use estimated USA Mature Equivalent ave. based on 1st lactation </p><p>production and in some cases based on the first 100 days in milk of the first lactation for use in sire summaries.</p><p>Which is fine for comparing the genetic potential of individual cows of the Same Breed. </p><p>To compare one breed to another actual production is the better measure.</p><p></p><p>The AVERAGE actual production of all Fleckvieh cows registered in German Herd Book 16,970 lbs (source ADR 2018)</p><p>Under intensive management the TOP registered Fleckvieh herds in Germany averaged 22,000 lbs</p><p>The TOP Fleckvieh Herd in Germany averaged 26,570 lbs and the TOP cow 38,840 lbs (sired by Malibu)</p><p></p><p>Yes, Fleckvieh cows can produce 38,000 lbs of milk and Holsteins 77,000 lbs per lactation, but very few ever will.</p><p>BTW: Animals that are 3/4 Fleckvieh and 1/4 or less Red Holstein can be registered as purebred Fleckvieh.</p><p></p><p>I believe observing the pheno type of breeding animals becomes even more important when working with composite </p><p>breeds or breeding because of the increased variability of purebreds vs full bloods.</p><p></p><p>p.s.</p><p>I am not opposed to composite breeding and registration. More than 30 years ago I floated the question at a Guernsey Breeder meeting as a possible way of saving the Guernsey breed.... I was nearly stoned by the members. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Son of Butch, post: 1540459, member: 14585"] The numbers above are not actual averages per se .... I believe you are quoting sire summary numbers which use estimated USA Mature Equivalent ave. based on 1st lactation production and in some cases based on the first 100 days in milk of the first lactation for use in sire summaries. Which is fine for comparing the genetic potential of individual cows of the Same Breed. To compare one breed to another actual production is the better measure. The AVERAGE actual production of all Fleckvieh cows registered in German Herd Book 16,970 lbs (source ADR 2018) Under intensive management the TOP registered Fleckvieh herds in Germany averaged 22,000 lbs The TOP Fleckvieh Herd in Germany averaged 26,570 lbs and the TOP cow 38,840 lbs (sired by Malibu) Yes, Fleckvieh cows can produce 38,000 lbs of milk and Holsteins 77,000 lbs per lactation, but very few ever will. BTW: Animals that are 3/4 Fleckvieh and 1/4 or less Red Holstein can be registered as purebred Fleckvieh. I believe observing the pheno type of breeding animals becomes even more important when working with composite breeds or breeding because of the increased variability of purebreds vs full bloods. p.s. I am not opposed to composite breeding and registration. More than 30 years ago I floated the question at a Guernsey Breeder meeting as a possible way of saving the Guernsey breed.... I was nearly stoned by the members. :) [/QUOTE]
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