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<blockquote data-quote="Ebenezer" data-source="post: 1566040" data-attributes="member: 24565"><p>I was guilty of the comment. I look at trends in EPDs and I look at EPDs of animals as a herd or sourced from a herd to give me clues. The actual numbers are pretty meaningless for many. So I mentioned HP EPD as a note of being lower than some or maybe lower than I would trial. I do not remember the number but it was not going to be a good point of attraction for the bull. If there is data or assumptions, I am not going to use a low HP bull. Just am not.</p><p></p><p>One long term herd with a national reputation had a big run on negative CEM a few years ago. I knew that meant that I did not want the average animal from that herd. Some years later I found the individual I was looking for. It sounds like the remarks of a traitor from one who totes linebreeding but this bull was an outlier of their program but was bred as an outlier and not the product of a random sort of genes. </p><p></p><p>Since we all know that the EPDs are representing the knowns of an animal the best we can do is take a look and see if the numbers come close to what you know works in your environment or what I know works in my environment. I peruse thru sale catalogs and occasionally see a cow with Bonsma type conformation. Most are high MM that would never work here. I've grown to expect that. So I do use numbers and phenotype but look at numbers in a fuzzy sense of exactness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ebenezer, post: 1566040, member: 24565"] I was guilty of the comment. I look at trends in EPDs and I look at EPDs of animals as a herd or sourced from a herd to give me clues. The actual numbers are pretty meaningless for many. So I mentioned HP EPD as a note of being lower than some or maybe lower than I would trial. I do not remember the number but it was not going to be a good point of attraction for the bull. If there is data or assumptions, I am not going to use a low HP bull. Just am not. One long term herd with a national reputation had a big run on negative CEM a few years ago. I knew that meant that I did not want the average animal from that herd. Some years later I found the individual I was looking for. It sounds like the remarks of a traitor from one who totes linebreeding but this bull was an outlier of their program but was bred as an outlier and not the product of a random sort of genes. Since we all know that the EPDs are representing the knowns of an animal the best we can do is take a look and see if the numbers come close to what you know works in your environment or what I know works in my environment. I peruse thru sale catalogs and occasionally see a cow with Bonsma type conformation. Most are high MM that would never work here. I've grown to expect that. So I do use numbers and phenotype but look at numbers in a fuzzy sense of exactness. [/QUOTE]
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