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<blockquote data-quote="CreekAngus" data-source="post: 1565956" data-attributes="member: 38224"><p>Last night I was texting a breeder (should I name drop here?) about this very question. The fad he and I see is all this high indexing cattle, that truly don't index as the numbers show. I have a cow in my herd, she's better than good in phenotype, I have no issue with duplicating her, she's in the top 3% of the Angus herd in WW, YW and $B. She's a EPD superstar across the board, in other categories she's in the top 10 to 25 percent. Her bull calf is top 5% by the numbers. In my herd I have an EPD albatross, complete disaster. Bottom 5% almost across the board. 8 year old cow, looks like's shes 4, has the udder of a heifer, easy fleshing, square hipped, deep sided, wide topped, feminine, docile and maternal. Bull calf at her side bottom 10%, born a few days before the bull whose an EPD superstar, but already showing he will be wider, stouter and is growthier. When people come to my place, they are amazed that the EPD superstar isn't the albatross. I like my cows and how they look, but I would take 10 more exact copies of my EPD nightmare. What I see in the Angus industry is a fad based on numbers, but it doesn't actually reflect on what a good cow really is. I don't like to rip on other breeders, but when I look at Deer Valley, I see a bunch of high indexing, rangy, no rear, narrow topped cattle. The EPDs are amazing with that breeder, but I don't want'em.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CreekAngus, post: 1565956, member: 38224"] Last night I was texting a breeder (should I name drop here?) about this very question. The fad he and I see is all this high indexing cattle, that truly don't index as the numbers show. I have a cow in my herd, she's better than good in phenotype, I have no issue with duplicating her, she's in the top 3% of the Angus herd in WW, YW and $B. She's a EPD superstar across the board, in other categories she's in the top 10 to 25 percent. Her bull calf is top 5% by the numbers. In my herd I have an EPD albatross, complete disaster. Bottom 5% almost across the board. 8 year old cow, looks like's shes 4, has the udder of a heifer, easy fleshing, square hipped, deep sided, wide topped, feminine, docile and maternal. Bull calf at her side bottom 10%, born a few days before the bull whose an EPD superstar, but already showing he will be wider, stouter and is growthier. When people come to my place, they are amazed that the EPD superstar isn't the albatross. I like my cows and how they look, but I would take 10 more exact copies of my EPD nightmare. What I see in the Angus industry is a fad based on numbers, but it doesn't actually reflect on what a good cow really is. I don't like to rip on other breeders, but when I look at Deer Valley, I see a bunch of high indexing, rangy, no rear, narrow topped cattle. The EPDs are amazing with that breeder, but I don't want'em. [/QUOTE]
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