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TexasBred":2b6di26p said:
slick4591":2b6di26p said:
It's very voluntary. No broken legs or anything.
Looks like this "union" has competition from another "union" and they hate each other.
You can punctuate the name any way you wish, but it's still a union. Just because a union membership, by state or federal statute can't strike doesn't mean it's not a union.
A large majority of federal employees are forbidden to strike, but they have several unions.
National Air Traffic Controllers Association is the union for federal air traffic controllers..took the place of PATCO that was de-certified when air traffic controllers went on strike during the Reagan white house.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ssociation

American Federation of Govt Employees is another union representing federal workers and the greatest majority of those workers (by law) can't strike either.
https://www.afge.org/


And yes, there are police unions in Texas, CLEAT being just one of them.
http://www.newlondonpoliceunion.com/
http://tdcjunion.com/



We all understand, that strikes are just a small part of organized labor. Union, by definition is a group of individuals banded together to attain a common goal instead of each individual trying or having to reach that goal alone. Call it by any name you want, but it's still a union.

The State of Texas' official definition of a labor 'union' is:
(3) "Labor union" means an incorporated or unincorporated
association, group, union, lodge, local, branch, or subordinate
organization of a union of working persons organized and existing to
protect those persons and to improve their working conditions, wages,
or employment relationships, but does not include an organization not
commonly regarded as a labor union.
Locaated at top of pg 151 of:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... ORCODE.pdf

Pretty sure CLEAT's mission statement falls under one or more of those.

As far as I know, the only thing the state says about Law Enforcement labor is that they can't strike, and in fact recognizes (as does the Texas and US supreme court) the right to collectively bargain, but nowhere have I ever seen that police uniformed police labor force in the State is forbidden to form a union....under any name.

(there may be newer versions of this, and others related to State employees like DPS, but I haven't bothered to look)
(subdivision means any municipality.)
The state
TITLE 5. MATTERS AFFECTING PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES


SUBTITLE C. MATTERS AFFECTING PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT


CHAPTER 174. FIRE AND POLICE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS



SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS



Sec. 174.001. SHORT TITLE. This chapter may be cited as The Fire and Police Employee Relations Act.


Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 269, Sec. 4, eff. Sept. 1, 1993.




Sec. 174.002. POLICY. (a) The policy of this state is that a political subdivision shall provide its fire fighters and police officers with compensation and other conditions of employment that are substantially the same as compensation and conditions of employment prevailing in comparable private sector employment.

(b) The policy of this state is that fire fighters and police officers, like employees in the private sector, should have the right to organize for collective bargaining, as collective bargaining is a fair and practical method for determining compensation and other conditions of employment. Denying fire fighters and police officers the right to organize and bargain collectively would lead to strife and unrest, consequently injuring the health, safety, and welfare of the public.

(c) The health, safety, and welfare of the public demands that strikes, lockouts, and work stoppages and slowdowns of fire fighters and police officers be prohibited, and therefore it is the state's duty to make available reasonable alternatives to strikes by fire fighters and police officers.

(d) Because of the essential and emergency nature of the public service performed by fire fighters and police officers, a reasonable alternative to strikes is a system of arbitration conducted under adequate legislative standards. Another reasonable alternative, if the parties fail to agree to arbitrate, is judicial enforcement of the requirements of this chapter regarding compensation and conditions of employment applicable to fire fighters and police officers.

(e) With the right to strike prohibited, to maintain the high morale of fire fighters and police officers and the efficient operation of the departments in which they serve, alternative procedures must be expeditious, effective, and binding.


Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 269, Sec. 4, eff. Sept. 1, 1993.




Sec. 174.003. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Association" means any type of organization, including an agency or employee representation committee or plan, in which fire fighters, police officers, or both, participate and that exists, in whole or in part, to deal with one or more public or private employers concerning grievances, labor disputes, or conditions of employment affecting fire fighters, police officers, or both.

(2) "Fire fighter" means a permanent, paid employee of the fire department of a political subdivision. The term does not include:

(A) the chief of the department; or

(B) a volunteer fire fighter.

(3) "Police officer" means a paid employee who is sworn, certified, and full-time, and who regularly serves in a professional law enforcement capacity in the police department of a political subdivision. The term does not include the chief of the department.

(4) "Political subdivision" includes a municipality.

(5) "Public employer" means the official or group of officials of a political subdivision whose duty is to establish the compensation, hours, and other conditions of employment of fire fighters, police officers, or both, and may include the mayor, city manager, town manager, town administrator, municipal governing body, director of personnel, personnel board, commissioners, or another official or combination of those persons......blah blah blah...

more at the following link:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/S ... LG.174.htm
 
greybeard":1oog3vq9 said:
TexasBred":1oog3vq9 said:
slick4591":1oog3vq9 said:
It's very voluntary. No broken legs or anything.
Looks like this "union" has competition from another "union" and they hate each other.
You can punctuate the name any way you wish, but it's still a union. Just because a union membership, by state or federal statute can't strike doesn't mean it's not a union.
A large majority of federal employees are forbidden to strike, but they have several unions.
National Air Traffic Controllers Association is the union for federal air traffic controllers..took the place of PATCO that was de-certified when air traffic controllers went on strike during the Reagan white house.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ssociation

American Federation of Govt Employees is another union representing federal workers and the greatest majority of those workers (by law) can't strike either.
https://www.afge.org/


And yes, there are police unions in Texas, CLEAT being just one of them.
http://www.newlondonpoliceunion.com/
http://tdcjunion.com/



We all understand, that strikes are just a small part of organized labor. Union, by definition is a group of individuals banded together to attain a common goal instead of each individual trying or having to reach that goal alone. Call it by any name you want, but it's still a union.

The State of Texas' official definition of a labor 'union' is:
(3) "Labor union" means an incorporated or unincorporated
association, group, union, lodge, local, branch, or subordinate
organization of a union of working persons organized and existing to
protect those persons and to improve their working conditions, wages,
or employment relationships, but does not include an organization not
commonly regarded as a labor union.
Locaated at top of pg 151 of:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... ORCODE.pdf

Pretty sure CLEAT's mission statement falls under one or more of those.

As far as I know, the only thing the state says about Law Enforcement labor is that they can't strike, and in fact recognizes (as does the Texas and US supreme court) the right to collectively bargain, but nowhere have I ever seen that police uniformed police labor force in the State is forbidden to form a union....under any name.

(there may be newer versions of this, and others related to State employees like DPS, but I haven't bothered to look)
(subdivision means any municipality.)
The state
TITLE 5. MATTERS AFFECTING PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES


SUBTITLE C. MATTERS AFFECTING PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT


CHAPTER 174. FIRE AND POLICE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS



SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS



Sec. 174.001. SHORT TITLE. This chapter may be cited as The Fire and Police Employee Relations Act.


Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 269, Sec. 4, eff. Sept. 1, 1993.




Sec. 174.002. POLICY. (a) The policy of this state is that a political subdivision shall provide its fire fighters and police officers with compensation and other conditions of employment that are substantially the same as compensation and conditions of employment prevailing in comparable private sector employment.

(b) The policy of this state is that fire fighters and police officers, like employees in the private sector, should have the right to organize for collective bargaining, as collective bargaining is a fair and practical method for determining compensation and other conditions of employment. Denying fire fighters and police officers the right to organize and bargain collectively would lead to strife and unrest, consequently injuring the health, safety, and welfare of the public.

(c) The health, safety, and welfare of the public demands that strikes, lockouts, and work stoppages and slowdowns of fire fighters and police officers be prohibited, and therefore it is the state's duty to make available reasonable alternatives to strikes by fire fighters and police officers.

(d) Because of the essential and emergency nature of the public service performed by fire fighters and police officers, a reasonable alternative to strikes is a system of arbitration conducted under adequate legislative standards. Another reasonable alternative, if the parties fail to agree to arbitrate, is judicial enforcement of the requirements of this chapter regarding compensation and conditions of employment applicable to fire fighters and police officers.

(e) With the right to strike prohibited, to maintain the high morale of fire fighters and police officers and the efficient operation of the departments in which they serve, alternative procedures must be expeditious, effective, and binding.


Added by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 269, Sec. 4, eff. Sept. 1, 1993.




Sec. 174.003. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Association" means any type of organization, including an agency or employee representation committee or plan, in which fire fighters, police officers, or both, participate and that exists, in whole or in part, to deal with one or more public or private employers concerning grievances, labor disputes, or conditions of employment affecting fire fighters, police officers, or both.

(2) "Fire fighter" means a permanent, paid employee of the fire department of a political subdivision. The term does not include:

(A) the chief of the department; or

(B) a volunteer fire fighter.

(3) "Police officer" means a paid employee who is sworn, certified, and full-time, and who regularly serves in a professional law enforcement capacity in the police department of a political subdivision. The term does not include the chief of the department.

(4) "Political subdivision" includes a municipality.

(5) "Public employer" means the official or group of officials of a political subdivision whose duty is to establish the compensation, hours, and other conditions of employment of fire fighters, police officers, or both, and may include the mayor, city manager, town manager, town administrator, municipal governing body, director of personnel, personnel board, commissioners, or another official or combination of those persons......blah blah blah...

more at the following link:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/S ... LG.174.htm



OK GB you win....your'e the greatest Googler since CB....what the he// is your prize??? Take a deep breath, stick your chest out and crow like a rooster.
 
The thieving little punk started the whole thing.
When I was his age I certainly knew the possible consequences for breaking in to a car and stealing.
Maybe the man, who just happened to be a cop, did go a little overboard.
But there is no doubt in my mind that 'passion' played a major part.
The little thief violated his space and stole his stuff.
 
Ryder":kadq5a3g said:
The thieving little punk started the whole thing.
When I was his age I certainly knew the possible consequences for breaking in to a car and stealing.
Maybe the man, who just happened to be a cop, did go a little overboard.
But there is no doubt in my mind that 'passion' played a major part.
The little thief violated his space and stole his stuff.
The thief got what he deserved, it's a shame you can't kill every thief, after they had their day in court.
 

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