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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby machslammer » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:30 pm

Sorry not been back on here in a bit... To answer some of the questions..
4 of the 5 sired by the same bull and 1 was bought as bred to another bull.
These are the first calves I have had out of this bull, but we bred him to some of dad's cows at a different farm and 0 deaths.
The water is a fresh water spring, fenced out of the pond, and it is piped into troughs.
The hay we fertilize, grow, and cut.
They don't die at day 1, they have all lived 3-5 days before dieing. They walk around ect. Never seen them eat anything other than try to suck mom. Acorns around but not seen a 3 day old calf try to eat something that solid..
Existing pasture with new orchard grass added in last year.
No new strange weeds that I've seen.
All cows bags ok with milk.
1 of these cows let hers die last year which was the only dead calf and she just wouldn't take last years or this years and kicks off when attempts to suck.. She's going to meat market. Her 2 yr old that I raised was this last one and maybe the apple don't fall far from the tree cause she didn't seem to love it either..
Herd makeup is 75% angus influenced and then I have some char x mommas.
Full blood Simmental bull.

Talked to my vet and his thoughts were weak calf syndrome from protein and selenium lack. Even thought I give selenium minerals in the fall and winter I use a regular pasture mineral with fly control meds in the summer and it lacks selenium... I usually also do protein tubs more in the winter, but he suggested doing them during the start of the 3rd trimester. He also suggested we use cattle master L5+5 in our vaccine regimen vs the triangle 10.
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:50 am

Can you post a picture of your cows? I know you said they are in good condition, but, the owners' eye isn't always the best. It sounds like the calves are being born weak, which can be from lack of nutrition for the cow or possibly the calf has white muscle disease. Do you give your calves a shot of Selenium at birth?
Just throwing out ideas.
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby Txpiney » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm

Do you vaccinate for blackleg?
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:37 pm

We virtually do not have blackleg in NY so I am NOT familiar with the symptoms.
Can it affect a newborn like that???
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Postby TCRanch » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:49 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:We virtually do not have blackleg in NY so I am NOT familiar with the symptoms.
Can it affect a newborn like that???

First symptom of blackleg is generally a dead calf. It's that fast.
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby Silver » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:12 pm

I know you said the bags are good, but did you milk any of them to verify open teats?
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Postby machslammer » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:50 pm

Yes all Silver.
We vaccinate for blackleg in cows every year. The selenium shot no.. I need to figure out where to get that one obviously.. Give to calf at birth or give to cow prior to birth?
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Postby machslammer » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:01 pm

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Few pics at hay feeding time..
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Postby Lazy M » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:04 pm

They're definitely in good flesh. Hope your luck turns around; that's been a hard lick.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:09 pm

Cows BCS look good.
You can get BoSe or MuSe from your vet for a Selenium shot, give to calf at birth.
But, man, I don't know. It has to be heartbreaking. Looks like you have good management with the herd. Hope a vet can help you out.
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby jkwilson » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:16 am

I'd just assume selenium and dose every calf as early as you can until you know otherwise, but consult your vet to find the cause. Even if there is something else going on, a selenium lack could be the straw that does them in.

My vet told me that selenium deficiency generally hits a calf at 3 days of age, but it sure seemed to me that it made them weak from the start. We used to use feed store mineral and had a lot of slow starting calves. Gave every calf we could catch a selenium shot and it seemed to help even prior to 3 days.

When we switched to Vitaferm minerals, the slow starting was pretty well a thing of the past. I firmly believe something in the mineral mix is helping the calves take off earlier.
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby Allenw » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:39 am

Txpiney wrote:Do you vaccinate for blackleg?


I would be more concerned about lepto then blackleg with weak newborns.
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby Txpiney » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:11 am

Allenw wrote:
Txpiney wrote:Do you vaccinate for blackleg?


I would be more concerned about lepto then blackleg with weak newborns.


I asked that because of the 5 dead calves
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:15 pm

Have there been any more problems?
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Re: Calves not very active. ..

Postby Allenw » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:03 pm

Txpiney wrote:
Allenw wrote:
Txpiney wrote:Do you vaccinate for blackleg?


I would be more concerned about lepto then blackleg with weak newborns.


I asked that because of the 5 dead calves


Weak calves dying shortly after birth is a classic lepto sign.
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