f4leggin
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I have an appt for the heifers to be preg checked monday...
Jill
Jill
f4leggin":3fu5rst0 said:I have an appt for the heifers to be preg checked monday...
Jill
TNMasterBeefProducer":2fmw8cr1 said:Apparently so. Seems to me that is what they are insinuating. I got the certificate to prove I am a master beef producer. Been in the cattle business off and on longer than you been alive. So your the one whos knowledge is mediocre at best. You might be aware of the new ways but I have had cattle nearly all my life and I am 60 years old. So when you get my age and have had cattle as long as I have then give me a call. Until then I dont think you are qualified to spout off at the mouth about something you know obviously nothing about. YOU are just a young kid that thinks they know everything and they dont. You claim to be an ex cop or something. You wouldnt have been no cop around these parts to long. Someone would have put a cap in ya for being a no it all irritant. I am not going to comment on this idiotic post that you made anymore. You do not know me so quit trying to pretend you do. I am asking you this one and only time to cease and desist all communication with me including but not limited to they hijacking of my posts. GOOD day MR!
f4leggin":355afcjh said:I have an appt for the heifers to be preg checked monday...
Jill
dun":1kolni5b said:hopalong":1kolni5b said:TNMasterBeefProducer":1kolni5b said:This is one of them people that comes on here asking for advice. They get good advice and then go and do the opposite and then moan and complain and cry when crap hits the fan even though you done told em so. That is my pet peeve.
Do not let this so called PERSON deter you, he is far from being a master beef producer and his knowledge is only mediocre ar best.
Are you insinuating that not every problem can be fixed with a shot of Dex and LA200?
rockridgecattle":1duv7vg6 said:Calves are born with zero immunity. When they calve on dirty ground, they can become host to many infections such as navel ill and scours. Navel ill hits fast and furious. Scours, well, they can be a challenge. Because these hiefers are young, the colostrum will be not great. RR
rockridgecattle":8p7ce4rk said:Yes the mother if vaccinated will have some antibodies that she will pass on in the colostrum, but she will not have as much or as good quality as a seasoned cow. The young hiefer has not been exposed to as many pathogens. As well this cow is younger than most, and has probably not had scour vaccines. They might get some immunity with the oral calf vaccine.
As well with Navel ill you can dip the navel and prevent infection yes. But if the ground is saturated with bacteria the umbilcal cord acts like a sponge and sucks it up, thus an infection. All you would need is a dirty mudy ground with no bedding. Next, what if the owner does not not get their right at the drop of the calf. It does not take long for the navel to suck up the bacteria. got that t shirt.
In the end only management can give this calf a excellent fighting chance.
I can honestly say that we - for the more anal-rententive, literal members of this board, notice I said WE, not I - calved out cows for 50+ years, never dipped a naval, never used a naval clamp, and never had a naval infection even in the 'nasty' corrals.
f4leggin":vzx7l1v2 said:I have a group (5) of 17-18 month old heifers penned, one is obviously going to calve soon - she's bagged up - none of the others have any sign of a bag. I took the bull out in late January this year. It seems like if they are going to calve, it would be before the end of October. I'm going to keep the bagged up one penned, would you release the others, and watch for signs of bagging up, or keep them all penned for the next month. The pasture they would be released to is about 80 acres. The draw back of having them penned is they don't have shelter from the rain/snow. My inclination is to keep them all penned.
Thanks - Jill
msscamp":vzx7l1v2 said:Dang rockridge, you're sounding like the grim reaper here! :shock: How about a little positive thinking? Cows have been having calves for thousands of years with no human intervention, and the vast majority of those calves somehow seem to make it. I can honestly say that we - for the more anal-rententive, literal members of this board, notice I said WE, not I - calved out cows for 50+ years, never dipped a naval, never used a naval clamp, and never had a naval infection even in the 'nasty' corrals.
rockridgecattle":qkjybtli said:msscamp":qkjybtli said:Dang rockridge, you're sounding like the grim reaper here! :shock: How about a little positive thinking? Cows have been having calves for thousands of years with no human intervention, and the vast majority of those calves somehow seem to make it. I can honestly say that we - for the more anal-rententive, literal members of this board, notice I said WE, not I - calved out cows for 50+ years, never dipped a naval, never used a naval clamp, and never had a naval infection even in the 'nasty' corrals.
ok you might think i am the grim reaper.
Re-read, I did not say that - I said you're sounding like the grim reaper.
Here is my reality check...the reality i live in.
Year 2004
Calved in our calving area
area to small for our growing herd...we increased by about 20% that year
wet spring
snow and rain
soupy water on the ground in places and clean bedding
in two weeks 60 cows calved all calves navel dipped at the time of birth. We are out with out calves quite a bit during calving
in one day 9 out of the 10 calves that calved that day got navel ill...our first year of navel ill. We noticed problems 12-24 hours after birth. All got the dip right as soon as the calf dropped on the ground and then again when tagged and bagged because of the wet area. One got it so bad that it died several months later. It was the first calf to get it and we dropped the ball on the treatment.
then next two weeks we had to treat every calf born because the navel ill was contagious. What happened was a sick calf layed down in the straw, got up and left. A young calf with a wet navel laid in the same place and got sick...per our vet since she was out many times that year
If i sound like a "grim reaper" sorry but the reality is this could happen in an enclosed pen, with lack of clean dry bedding, and crowding, and wet cold damp weather.
yes they calved 1000 of years with out us. But they did not have us putting them in pens. They calved in the open pasture usually in the drier part of the spring.