Will This Really Be The Future??

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Self driving cars will happen.

I wouldn't worry about Tesla too much either. They're not close to profitability and have no clear path to get there.

Co-worker has a 3D printer and it makes prototyping a lot cheaper.
 
Caustic Burno":1l9ul562 said:
Best part about your predictions TB is you and I won't be here to see it if most of it becomes true. The way of the dinosaur we will go.
I see that as a real bright spot. I keep thinking that no matter how screwed up things are thankfully I only have a short time to have to contend with them.
 
Kell-inKY":1ukbq94p said:
I call BS on most of this stuff.

How many "new" inventions are we seeing now? All the big stuff has been invented for quite a while, telephone, radio, computers, airplanes, cars etc. All they have been doing is incrementally improving existing stuff. I think I read that life span is no longer increasing due to a number of problems, not the least of which is obesity. Sure, we can keep people alive longer, but is the quality improved?

Uber is their big "invention", give me a break. Self driving cars? ya know how many times a week this POS computer screws up at work, or a static charge sends the plotter off in some wild direction? 3D printing? that's great if you want to make plastic toys, otherwise give me a real gun or a real anything for that matter.

There are a lot of hard limits we are now running up against. Just think how fast airplanes advanced from the Wright Brothers to Jet Planes in WW2, 40 years. How much advancement in planes in 60 more years? incrementally small. My 1970 Chevy C10 truck gets nearly the same gas mileage as my 2002 Silverado. Shouldn't the newer truck be getting 4 times as much?

I feel this is probably closer to the truth:
Clodhopper":1ukbq94p said:
Seriously, my Grandpa said years ago that one day a man that can work with his hands will be at a premium, due to scarcity. I believe it will happen, and technology will be the driver.
How many threads on here asking "where do I find a GOOD" pair of gloves, boots, etc.?
Kell the only thing restricting the speed and maneuverability of those planes is the human pilot. And at this very moment work is being done on eliminating the pilot then you'll see what planes we already have can really do. Ask pilots the difference in planes today and 60 years ago.
 
greybeard":1iri4yb3 said:
Sounds like there's just gonna be a bunch of lazy basurds around.

They will also be dumber than a box of rocks. Sounds like a good fit for the cities.

I don't see driverless cars taking off. Accidents will happen, deaths will occur and manufacturers will be sued into the Stone Age. A little self-driving Prius is not going to be able to stop or react if a deer or moose jumps in front of it with less than 20' between them. Neither would a human-driven vehicle, but the manufacturer will be sued because their software is in charge of operation of the vehicle, not human error.
 
Caustic Burno":26iy7n91 said:
Best part about your predictions TB is you and I won't be here to see it if most of it becomes true. The way of the dinosaur we will go.

Very true CB....here is another little known fact to we country boys. Saw this on TV the other day and googled it and found it here.

In the case of Hiroshima, the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima was an incredibly crude and inefficient weapon. When it exploded, about 99 percent of the uranium that was supposed to undergo this chain reaction, didn't. It just blew apart in the air, and a very small percentage, maybe two percent of the fissile material, actually detonated. And most of it just became other radioactive elements. [. . .] Now to imagine how small an amount that is, seven-tenths of a gram of uranium is about the size of a peppercorn. Seven-tenths of a gram weighs less than a dollar bill. So even though this weapon was unbelievably inefficient, and almost 99 percent of the uranium had nothing to do with the destruction of Hiroshima, it was a catastrophic explosion.
 
TexasBred":35yoitg7 said:
Ask pilots the difference in planes today and 60 years ago.
I'm going to sound like a luddite, but, my point is things are not progressing exponentially anymore, if they were, we would have all kinds of new things, not just improving things we have had for years. I went back and re-read the first post and I think it boiled down to software. Almost every improvement listed was based on better software.

From the Wright Brothers 30mph flight, to the first breaking of the sound barrier was roughly 40 years. From NO flight to speed of sound in an incredibly short amount of time. Since then, things are getting incrementally faster/better, not exponentially.

60 years ago life was not that much different. We had radios, telephones, microwaves, TV, computers, cars, planes, trains etc.

All of these things have improved over the last 60 years, but roughly 60 years before that none of this even EXISTED.

How many NEW inventions over the last 60 years compared to the first? Cell phone is taking a phone and combining it with a computer, not sure if that qualifies as a new invention?

If we were progressing at the same rate as the early 20th century, by now we should all have personal rocketships that can take us to the moon whenever we wanted. But instead, we are trying to design software to drive us to the grocery store, that's pretty lame.
 
TexasBred":3rht9hda said:
In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they went bankrupt. What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 10 year - and most people don't see it coming. Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later you would never take pictures on paper film again?

Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000 pixels, but followed Moore's law. So as with all exponential technologies, it was a disappointment for a long time, before it became way superior and got mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs. Welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution. Welcome to the Exponential Age.

Software will disrupt most traditional industries in the next 5-10 years. Uber is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the biggest taxi company in the world. Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they don't own any properties.

Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in understanding the world. This year, a computer beat the best Go player in the world, 10 years earlier than expected. In the US, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM Watson, you can get legal advice (so far for more or less basic stuff) within seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by humans. So if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% less lawyers in the future, only specialists will remain. Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, 4 time more accurate than human nurses. Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more intelligent than humans.

Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars will appear for the public. Around 2020, the complete industry will start to be disrupted. You don't want to own a car anymore. You will call a car with your phone, it will show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not need to park it, you only pay for the driven distance and can be productive while driving. Our kids will never get a driver's licence and will never own a car. It will change the cities, because we will need 90-95% less cars for that. We can transform former parking space into parks. 1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide. We now have one accident every 100,000 km, with autonomous driving that will drop to one accident in 10 million km. That will save a million lives each year.

Most car companies might become bankrupt. Traditional car companies try the evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies (Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a computer on wheels. I spoke to a lot of engineers from Volkswagen and Audi; they are completely terrified of Tesla.

Insurance companies will have massive trouble because without accidents, the insurance will become 100x cheaper. Their car insurance business model will disappear. Real estate will change. Because if you can work while you commute, people will move further away to live in a more beautiful neighborhood.

Electric cars will become mainstream by 2020. Cities will be less noisy because all cars will be electric. Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean: Solar production has been on an exponential curve for 30 years, but you can only now see the impact.

Last year, more solar energy was installed worldwide than fossil. The price for solar will drop so much that all coal companies will be out of business by 2025.

With cheap electricity comes cheap and abundant water. Desalination now only needs 2kWh per cubic meter. We don't have scarce water in most places, we only have scarce drinking water. Imagine what will be possible if anyone can have as much clean water as he wants, for nearly no cost.

Health: The Tricorder X price will be announced this year. There will be companies who will build a medical device (called the "Tricorder" from Star Trek) that works with your phone, which takes your retina scan, your blood sample and you breath into it. It then analyses 54 biomarkers that will identify nearly any disease. It will be cheap, so in a few years everyone on this planet will have access to world class medicine, nearly for free.

3D printing: The price of the cheapest 3D printer came down from $18,000 to $400 within 10 years. In the same time, it became 100 times faster. All major shoe companies started 3D printing shoes. Spare airplane parts are already 3D printed in remote airports. The space station now has a printer that eliminates the need for the large amount of spare parts they used to have in the past.

At the end of this year, new smart phones will have 3D scanning possibilities. You can then 3D scan your feet and print your perfect shoe at home. In China, they already 3D printed a complete 6-story office building. By 2027, 10% of everything that's being produced will be 3D printed.

Business opportunities: If you think of a niche you want to go in, ask yourself: "in the future, do you think we will have that?" and if the answer is yes, how can you make that happen sooner? If it doesn't work with your phone, forget the idea. And any idea designed for success in the 20th century is doomed in to failure in the 21st century.

Work: 70-80% of jobs will disappear in the next 20 years. There will be a lot of new jobs, but it is not clear if there will be enough new jobs in such a small time.

Agriculture: There will be a $100 agricultural robot in the future. Farmers in 3rd world countries can then become managers of their field instead of working all days on their fields. Aeroponics will need much less water. The first Petri dish produced veal is now available and will be cheaper than cow produced veal in 2018. Right now, 30% of all agricultural surfaces is used for cows. Imagine if we don't need that space anymore. There are several startups who will bring insect protein to the market shortly. It contains more protein than meat. It will be labeled as "alternative protein source" (because most people still reject the idea of eating insects).

There is an app called "moodies" which can already tell in which mood you are. By 2020 there will be apps that can tell by your facial expressions if you are lying. Imagine a political debate where it's results are being displayed when the candidates are talking.

Bitcoin will become mainstream this year and might even become the default reserve currency.

Longevity: Right now, the average life span increases by 3 months per year. Four years ago, the life span used to be 79 years, now it's 80 years. The increase itself is increasing and by 2036, there will be more that one year increase per year. So we all might live for a long long time, probably way more than 100.

Education: The cheapest smart phones are already at $10 in Africa and Asia. By 2020, 70% of all humans will own a smart phone. That means, everyone has the same access to world class education. Every child can use Khan academy for everything a child learns at school in First World countries.

This is one of the best posts on here in awhile. Very thought-provoking. Showed it to my college son and asked his inputs. He replied, this is exactly correct-it's what we are being taught in college(of course the time lines can vary). AI is here and only improving. Some speculate this will be humanities greatest challenge- dealing with something that we created that can process, problem solve,and understand the world better and more rapidly than we can. Then it's only limitation is the hardware it's packaged in,because software speaking,it will be more advanced than us. The great minds of our time have spoken to this concern.
 
Seriously, my Grandpa said years ago that one day a man that can work with his hands will be at a premium, due to scarcity. I believe it will happen, and technology will be the driver.[/quote]

Maybe the worm is about to turn. In favor of the man with a strong back, and willing to use it. Maybe it already has.
 
Kell-inKY":2paqehkk said:
TexasBred":2paqehkk said:
Ask pilots the difference in planes today and 60 years ago.
I'm going to sound like a luddite, but, my point is things are not progressing exponentially anymore, if they were, we would have all kinds of new things, not just improving things we have had for years. I went back and re-read the first post and I think it boiled down to software. Almost every improvement listed was based on better software.

From the Wright Brothers 30mph flight, to the first breaking of the sound barrier was roughly 40 years. From NO flight to speed of sound in an incredibly short amount of time. Since then, things are getting incrementally faster/better, not exponentially.

60 years ago life was not that much different. We had radios, telephones, microwaves, TV, computers, cars, planes, trains etc.

All of these things have improved over the last 60 years, but roughly 60 years before that none of this even EXISTED.

How many NEW inventions over the last 60 years compared to the first? Cell phone is taking a phone and combining it with a computer, not sure if that qualifies as a new invention?

If we were progressing at the same rate as the early 20th century, by now we should all have personal rocketships that can take us to the moon whenever we wanted. But instead, we are trying to design software to drive us to the grocery store, that's pretty lame.

There is no need to be constantly striving to create something new. Simply improving on what you have is often a giant step. Humans normally need to move in small steps anyway. Can you imagine Orville and Wilbur Wright sitting down in a new F-22 Raptor. They would have had no idea what to do other than sit there and admire it's beauty and dream about what 1500 mph feels like.
 
Years ago I took a class and the professor was one of the people who designed the logic which is used in computers today. At that time we were using card readers in computing and he told us of different memory system that had been invented but for various reasons were not yet on the market. This all seemed unbelievable to us since our card reading/tape computer occupied around 20,000 ft2 of climate controlled space in a building and the amount of memory was much less than is now found in a smart phone. But over the years I saw his statements come true with the floppy disc then the hard drives and the Pentium chips. I've seen all but one unveiled. The one I've yet to see is the organic liquid memory he spoke of. I remember this one clearly because he posed an interesting question to us in that this memory works on synopsis just like the brain does. His question, "if this works by synopsis like the brain, and the brain can learn and reason then is it not possible for this to do the same?" Wild stuff to think about.
 
TexasBred":1zk970u8 said:
There is no need to be constantly striving to create something new. Simply improving on what you have is often a giant step. Humans normally need to move in small steps anyway.
I see what you are saying, I went off on a rant that took this in a somewhat negative direction, I apologize for that. I know you didn't pen the original post but I can see how it looks like I was arguing against you personally.

My job has slowly involved more and more computer work, it's excruciatingly boring and I may be getting cranky about it.
 
TexasBred":24i8dw7f said:
TexasBred":24i8dw7f said:
Ask pilots the difference in planes today and 60 years ago.


There is no need to be constantly striving to create something new. Simply improving on what you have is often a giant step. Humans normally need to move in small steps anyway. Can you imagine Orville and Wilbur Wright sitting down in a new F-22 Raptor. They would have had no idea what to do other than sit there and admire it's beauty and dream about what 1500 mph feels like.

T B< Even the "improvements" carry some significant risk. On another board, 2 of the members are commercial airline pilots and both say the biggest problem in air safety today is that pilots especially foreign company pilots, no longer know how to actually fly or land the newer Boeing and AirBus planes if the computer malfunctions or if there is unusually high or cross winds on a runway. So far, in the US/Canadian fleets, pilots still prefer to land the aircraft themselves, but the ac are capable of doing it themselves. Anything since 757 doesn't even have a flight engineer to take care of pressurization, heating, fuel and pneumatic systems--that's all taken care of completely by software.

(I wold like to have a completely automatic lawn tractor tho--just drag it out, get it started and let it go mow the whole yard without running over momma's hibiscus or the aerobic system sprinkler heads)
 
greybeard":172awjsq said:
TexasBred":172awjsq said:
TexasBred":172awjsq said:
Ask pilots the difference in planes today and 60 years ago.


There is no need to be constantly striving to create something new. Simply improving on what you have is often a giant step. Humans normally need to move in small steps anyway. Can you imagine Orville and Wilbur Wright sitting down in a new F-22 Raptor. They would have had no idea what to do other than sit there and admire it's beauty and dream about what 1500 mph feels like.

T B< Even the "improvements" carry some significant risk. On another board, 2 of the members are commercial airline pilots and both say the biggest problem in air safety today is that pilots especially foreign company pilots, no longer know how to actually fly or land the newer Boeing and AirBus planes if the computer malfunctions or if there is unusually high or cross winds on a runway. So far, in the US/Canadian fleets, pilots still prefer to land the aircraft themselves, but the ac are capable of doing it themselves. Anything since 757 doesn't even have a flight engineer to take care of pressurization, heating, fuel and pneumatic systems--that's all taken care of completely by software.

(I wold like to have a completely automatic lawn tractor tho--just drag it out, get it started and let it go mow the whole yard without running over momma's hibiscus or the aerobic system sprinkler heads)

Do you think this might work for you:
http://inhabitat.com/automower-solar-powered-lawnmower/
 
hurleyjd":15swwsm7 said:
greybeard":15swwsm7 said:
T B< Even the "improvements" carry some significant risk. On another board, 2 of the members are commercial airline pilots and both say the biggest problem in air safety today is that pilots especially foreign company pilots, no longer know how to actually fly or land the newer Boeing and AirBus planes if the computer malfunctions or if there is unusually high or cross winds on a runway. So far, in the US/Canadian fleets, pilots still prefer to land the aircraft themselves, but the ac are capable of doing it themselves. Anything since 757 doesn't even have a flight engineer to take care of pressurization, heating, fuel and pneumatic systems--that's all taken care of completely by software.

(I wold like to have a completely automatic lawn tractor tho--just drag it out, get it started and let it go mow the whole yard without running over momma's hibiscus or the aerobic system sprinkler heads)

Do you think this might work for you:
http://inhabitat.com/automower-solar-powered-lawnmower/
I doubt it. Ain't seen enough sunshine this whole year to charge a watch battery.
 
Good post, TB.

You're making me think about all of my under/unemployed buddies who got computer science degrees about 20 years ago. PC Repairmen were easily earning six figure salaries.

If your occupation is trending in big media you better get a backup plan.
 
Kell-inKY":ct0l2f5x said:
TexasBred":ct0l2f5x said:
There is no need to be constantly striving to create something new. Simply improving on what you have is often a giant step. Humans normally need to move in small steps anyway.
I see what you are saying, I went off on a rant that took this in a somewhat negative direction, I apologize for that. I know you didn't pen the original post but I can see how it looks like I was arguing against you personally.

My job has slowly involved more and more computer work, it's excruciatingly boring and I may be getting cranky about it.
;-) ;-)
 
Yall realize that the author of this piece had no idea a bunch of beat up old cattlemen would ever read it and if he did he did not care....It was not pointed at us....it was pointed at city dwellers...the same folks who gave us Obummer for eight years....the electoral majority......some of yall really need to go to a big town every year or so and see how different it is...there are three generations of people who live in them cities that think you are a fictional character...

no one is going to call a self driving vehicle to take them forty miles to the store....but if you usually make the trip on the subway in town then you just might...there are numerous cities that are talking about banning automobiles within the city because of all the congestion they cause....I recall that self driving cars were philosophized way back when I was a kid...only back then they would have been controlled form a control tower like an airport....look at all the ads now for self driving features...auto braking, collision avoidance etc on standard cars...I can no longer afford a new vehicle and so mine is going to have to go another hundred thousand or until I kick the bucket. cars are selling for more now than I paid for my house and land.

saw an article this week that the US military Teams did not even place in an international Tank War Games in Europe....even Poland beat us.

The world is changing....
 
pdfangus":1zzkof7j said:
cars are selling for more now than I paid for my house and land.
A new truck costs 3 times what we paid for our first house and I thought it was expensive. But at least it had 2 bathrooms unlike the truck with none.
 
If anyone wants to look at the article(s) the competition is officially called The Strong Europe Tank Challenge.

I do wonder tho, is there a "Strong Europe Anti-Tank Challenge"? :!:
 

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