Why cant we get smart.

[haase]

Its really funny going through life and do what's right, now were going through a period that no generations have gone through with idiots that have no clue what their protests mean nothing, we went through this in the late 60s and early 70s that produced nothing but a mess for our country, and we are still paying for them idiot's back then, just want someone today how we can afford to pay for dumber people today?

 

[ccr]

haase, not disagreeing with you, but back in 1968 many folks didn't understand why the U.S had over 500,000 U.S troops in Vietnam getting killed for what.

But today this is much different with domestic terrorist, rioters and anarchist. Don't understand the core logic of today's uprising.

 

[Buck Randall]

The protests of the 60's and 70's ended up being a positive for our country, and I'm confident historians will look back on more recent protests similarly.

 

[ccr]

Don't know how the protest of the 60's and 70's ended up being positive for our country, a change in leadership resulted in the U.S. getting out of Vietnam.

Exactly why would historians look back on more recent protests as being a positive for our country?

 

[Buck Randall]

Don't know how the protest of the 60's and 70's ended up being positive for our country, a change in leadership resulted in the U.S. getting out of Vietnam.

Exactly why would historians look back on more recent protests as being a positive for our country?

You don't think the civil rights marches of the 60's yielded any positive change?

Regarding the war protests, even before the change in leadership, Nixon was starting to yield to public pressure. He certainly wouldn't have discontinued the draft when he did had there not been public protests.

The current day protests have done a lot to raise awareness about racial disparities that most white Americans historically have ignored, changing public opinion in a way that we haven't seen since the 60's. Polling has found that a majority of whites now believe that people of color are unfairly discriminated against by our criminal justice system. That's a very recent change, and it almost certainly wouldn't have happened without cell phone video and widespread protest. Much like people were once appalled to see peaceful black protesters sprayed with fire hoses and attacked by police dogs, they're now responding similarly to videos of black men being murdered by police and protesters beaten and tear gassed.

 

[SmokinM]

Anybody who believes there are racial disparities in this country directed towards blacks is blind and has no grasp on reality. Affirmative action, minority preference in govt contracting and a host of other programs are proof of this. If anything it is the exact opposite.

Police target those who break the law. Not a video yet that shows a RACIALLY MOTIVATED act of police brutality. Any perceived disparity on their part is blindness to the results of their actions. Pointing a finger at someone results in 3 pointing at the real problem applies here.

I assure you the white community wants nothing but a better black community the same as we want a better white community. It does nothing but benefit us by creating a community that is better as a whole. Less welfare paid, less prison cost paid, no public housing to pay for and better education results in better more productive members of the workforce and society. There is zero benefits to society as a whole to holding back a race or social class of any type. Any displeasure with the black community would only come from their resistance to improve from within. You can't help somebody that won't help themselves regardless of color. Wanting the lower classes of society to improve is not a race issue, we would like for all unproductive members of society to improve themselves. Inequalities that exist are of their own making perpetuated by politicians that exploit it for personal gain.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Don't know how the protest of the 60's and 70's ended up being positive for our country, a change in leadership resulted in the U.S. getting out of Vietnam.

Exactly why would historians look back on more recent protests as being a positive for our country?

You don't think the civil rights marches of the 60's yielded any positive change?

Regarding the war protests, even before the change in leadership, Nixon was starting to yield to public pressure. He certainly wouldn't have discontinued the draft when he did had there not been public protests.

The current day protests have done a lot to raise awareness about racial disparities that most white Americans historically have ignored, changing public opinion in a way that we haven't seen since the 60's. Polling has found that a majority of whites now believe that people of color are unfairly discriminated against by our criminal justice system. That's a very recent change, and it almost certainly wouldn't have happened without cell phone video and widespread protest. Much like people were once appalled to see peaceful black protesters sprayed with fire hoses and attacked by police dogs, they're now responding similarly to videos of black men being murdered by police and protesters beaten and tear gassed.

The overwhelming majority of blacks are killed by other blacks. Undeniable fact.

 

[SmokinM]

There are some situations that have gotten out of hand and ended poorly involving people of both races but to say that black men are are being MURDERED by police is as false and ignorant a statement as one can make.

Let a crowd that is hostile towards your very existence surround you. My guess is you would beat and tear gas them also.

These protests have shown me that blind ignorance guided by media hype is a much more prevalent problem than any other we face as a country today and that the easiest way to fuel racism in this country is to protest against it.

 

[Ky hills]

There are a lot of disparities out there. There are white communities throughout Appalachia that are as disenfranchised in many ways as any other. On the subject of racial disparity and racism in general that absolutely exists too. The concept of Affirmative action was put into place to give an opportunity for some who would likely not receive it otherwise. The same with anti discrimination laws. I am in no way condoning the destruction in recent weeks, that is counterproductive in the long run, and I think also that has been exploited and promoted by outside sources to benefit other agendas.

 

[Ebenezer]

You don't think the civil rights marches of the 60's yielded any positive change?

According to the current protesters, no. The '60's result was to not judge a person by the color of their skin. Now black skin is more important than white, brown, yellow or olive skin. The current unrest has wiped out the progress of the 60's. And the current protest is Marxism versus American values. I agree that the war in Vietnam was stupid in a lot of ways. First getting involved and second, not fighting to win. And let's be clear who got us into that war.

Some of the ignorance is from folks only having fractional or minimal contact with other races and society elements. Let's see the protesters move into the solid black communities where black on black violence is such an issue and see what they think in a year. We just had some nice guys from Atlanta come up and shot 2 innocent folks near us in a act of total stupidity. Guess what they all look like?

 

[Buck Randall]

Anybody who believes there are racial disparities in this country directed towards blacks is blind and has no grasp on reality. Affirmative action, minority preference in govt contracting and a host of other programs are proof of this. If anything it is the exact opposite.

Police target those who break the law. Not a video yet that shows a RACIALLY MOTIVATED act of police brutality. Any perceived disparity on their part is blindness to the results of their actions. Pointing a finger at someone results in 3 pointing at the real problem applies here.

I assure you the white community wants nothing but a better black community the same as we want a better white community. It does nothing but benefit us by creating a community that is better as a whole. Less welfare paid, less prison cost paid, no public housing to pay for and better education results in better more productive members of the workforce and society. There is zero benefits to society as a whole to holding back a race or social class of any type. Any displeasure with the black community would only come from their resistance to improve from within. You can't help somebody that won't help themselves regardless of color. Wanting the lower classes of society to improve is not a race issue, we would like for all unproductive members of society to improve themselves. Inequalities that exist are of their own making perpetuated by politicians that exploit it for personal gain.

What crime did Philando Castile commit? How about Breonna Taylor? Innocent people murdered. George Floyd and Eric Garner were killed for the suspected crimes of passing a counterfeit bill and selling loose cigarettes, respectively. That's a pattern of police behavior that sure seems to be racially motivated, but even if it's not, we still have a problem.

Despite affirmative action, preferential hiring, etc., there's still a massive equality gap. Those programs have done some good, but they're band aids over much deeper rooted problems.

I don't doubt that you mean it when you say that you want better for the black community, and I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's better for society when we decrease poverty, imprisonment, etc. Unfortunately there are still a lot of people in the white community (not a majority, but more than I would have believed a few years ago) who don't share that opinion. In just the past few months, we've seen video of a black man beaten by whites using racial slurs on public property in Indiana, a woman calling the cops to falsely accuse a black bird watcher of threatening her, black delivery drivers that "look suspicious" having the cops called on them, and the list goes on. These are only the incidents that someone was able to record and publicize.

The civil rights marches of the 60's fought to have discrimination legally abolished. They were successful. These marches are to shine a light on and change the discrimination that blacks have faced in day-to-day life for as long as this country has existed. To think that there aren't a significant number of outright racist whites in this country intentionally holding minority communities down is naive.

 

[Ebenezer]

To think that there aren't a significant number of outright racist whites in this country intentionally holding minority communities down is naive.

To think that there aren't a significant number of outright racist blacks in this country intentionally holding minority communities down is naive.

Curious: what is the % black of your community?

 

[SmokinM]

What you and the media don't acknowledge is the equal or greater number of these instances where blacks beat and slur whites. Where the racial pressure and hate are directed at whites by the black community. They are entitled to exclude us but we cannot exclude them.

Also none of those events you mention have anything to do with race, police brutality or improper use of force perhaps but they were not targeted based on race. There is no evidence to support that. Just because the victim is black does not make it racially motivated.

The equality gap exists because they don't close it not because whites keep opening it.

 

[Buck Randall]

To think that there aren't a significant number of outright racist whites in this country intentionally holding minority communities down is naive.

To think that there aren't a significant number of outright racist blacks in this country intentionally holding minority communities down is naive.

Curious: what is the % black of your community?

Not sure, but it's low, less than 5%. In my college days, I lived in neighborhoods that were significantly more diverse.

Care to explain what you're trying to get at?

 

[SmokinM]

Find numbers on black perp. on white victim crime vs. white on black crime. I would wager a lot of money those numbers would be staggering and not beneficial to your argument.

 

[Buck Randall]

What you and the media don't acknowledge is the equal or greater number of these instances where blacks beat and slur whites. Where the racial pressure and hate are directed at whites by the black community. They are entitled to exclude us but we cannot exclude them.

Also none of those events you mention have anything to do with race, police brutality or improper use of force perhaps but they were not targeted based on race. There is no evidence to support that. Just because the victim is black does not make it racially motivated.

The equality gap exists because they don't close it not because whites keep opening it.

If you don't think racism is at play, why do you think they don't close the gap? Be specific.

 

[Buck Randall]

Find numbers on black perp. on white victim crime vs. white on black crime. I would wager a lot of money those numbers would be staggering and not beneficial to your argument.

Why do you think that people, regardless of race, commit crimes?

 

[SmokinM]

My guess would be that his angle is you know not of what you speak based on first hand knowledge and experience.

 

[SmokinM]

Poor upbringing, lack of quality role models and to much free time are huge contributors. A culture that encourages a thug lifestyle probably doesn't help. Not having to earn what you have so you dont respect what others have earned. That's just a start. The list is pages long and race isn't anywhere on them.

 

[SmokinM]

The gap remains because it takes work and personal responsibility and accountability to close it. Fact is they have equality and don't like it, it is easier to claim inequality and use that for entitlement. Being a productive member of society takes work. Life is not easy and takes effort to improve the quality of it regardless of race. They are told by politicians that benefit that we owe them and that they are considered less. They are told by generation after generation that whites are evil and holding them back. We have black CEOs, lawyers, doctors, legislators and a President. If you think all of them started at the top of the ladder well off you truly are foolish. The same if you think white ghettos and poverty don't exist.