Which Breed are These Cows?

[Lee VanRoss]

The question remains unanswered. Opinions are interesting but they can't carry the mail.

 

[Son of Butch]

op NewMoo said they had an idea... and that might have been based on info from the seller.... so that seems to be the best lead.

 

[50/50Farms]

The question remains unanswered. Opinions are interesting but they can't carry the mail.

The only way to answer for sure is to run some kind of test, all we've got to look at is a rawboned rug on four stilts and her +1.

 

[Lee VanRoss]

op NewMoo said they had an idea... and that might have been based on info from the seller.... so that seems to be the best lead.

So? Are you fishing or just cutting more bait? We have already had the 20 questions and comments but no correct answer.

 

[50/50Farms]

So? Are you fishing or just cutting more bait? We have already had the 20 questions and comments but no correct answer.

Tell us the answer.

 

[Lee VanRoss]

The only way to answer for sure is to run some kind of test, all we've got to look at is a rawboned rug on four stilts and her +1.

Your logic is a disservice to a great state,

 

[50/50Farms]

Your logic is a disservice to a great state,

Now, I like you, your posts are generally pretty good. But you also make a real habit of needling folks and acting high and mighty. I don't know much, but I do know that the first one to an insult is usually the fool of the encounter.

 

[Brute 23]

I did not. No offense, just had other stuff to do.

Edit: Read them, doesn't change my basic assertion. It's not a 350 year lead but it's a lead. It's not a mark against us Texans, you could fit multiple Floridas into this state. There's also locality to market, their native population taking up ranching, hostile natives being subdued sooner in the upper pine belt, etc.

It was all happening about the same time. Cattle hit both regions around the same time due to the Spanish.

The Spanish abandoned the cattle ranch and it was taken over by natives in the 1700s. Meanwhile the Spanish had moved up though modern day Mexico and Texas during the 15th and 16th century. The missions had massive herds of cattle handled by the vaqueros.

The second generation to settle in the Florida territory after the Spanish were pioneers who traveled south through the state in the period between the American Revolution and the Civil War. Control of Florida was still disputed by Spain and England, so settlers in the state lived outside the political control of both nations. Cattle rustlers, charged with rounding up the loose cattle in Central Florida, used long, braided leather bullwhips to bring cattle out from the underdeveloped forest brush. The men would flail the whips with so much force that the tips would actually break the sound barrier, creating a cracking sound — actually a small sonic boom. Thus, a name for these Florida cowboys was born. Stories quickly spread about the rustlers' individual whip-cracking sounds that allowed them to identify each other from far away.

According to the articles the cracker cowboy really didn't start up until around the late 1700s. The Vaqueros had already been operating organized herds for a 100, or maybe 200 years, before.

Then both regions started moving cattle around the time of and after the wars.

Im not claiming either is better or worse or any thing like that. Im just pointing out history is not supporting yalls comments about cracker cowboys operating hundreds of years before cattle in Texas. Cattle have been organized in herds by the missions around where I live since the 1600s.

Encyclopedia of the Great Plains | RANCHING HERITAGE

plainshumanities.unl.edu

 

[50/50Farms]

It was all happening about the same time. Cattle hit both regions around the same time due to the Spanish.

The Spanish abandoned the cattle ranch and it was taken over by natives in the 1700s. Meanwhile the Spanish had moved up though modern day Mexico and Texas during the 15th and 16th century. The missions had massive herds of cattle handled by the vaqueros.

The second generation to settle in the Florida territory after the Spanish were pioneers who traveled south through the state in the period between the American Revolution and the Civil War. Control of Florida was still disputed by Spain and England, so settlers in the state lived outside the political control of both nations. Cattle rustlers, charged with rounding up the loose cattle in Central Florida, used long, braided leather bullwhips to bring cattle out from the underdeveloped forest brush. The men would flail the whips with so much force that the tips would actually break the sound barrier, creating a cracking sound — actually a small sonic boom. Thus, a name for these Florida cowboys was born. Stories quickly spread about the rustlers' individual whip-cracking sounds that allowed them to identify each other from far away.

According to the articles the cracker cowboy really didn't start up until around the late 1700s. The Vaqueros had already been operating organized herds for a 100, or maybe 200 years, before.

Then both regions started moving cattle around the time of and after the wars.

Im not claiming either is better or worse or any thing like that. Im just pointing out history is not supporting yalls comments about cracker cowboys operating hundreds of years before cattle in Texas. Cattle have been organized in herds by the missions around where I live since the 1600s.

Encyclopedia of the Great Plains | RANCHING HERITAGE

plainshumanities.unl.edu

I never said hundreds of years and clarified that in my last post. Just said there was a lead.

 

[Brute 23]

I never said hundreds of years and clarified that in my last post. Just said there was a lead.

There was no lead. Cracker cowboys were well after vaquueros of Texas.

 

[Travlr]

Yawn... to the arguing.

But I gotta say, the story of the "cracker" named cattle/cowboy is fascinating. I was born in Florida and have never heard this stuff. I guess that's what happens when an 18 month old baby gets kidnapped to the west and ripped from their heritage... LOL

 

[Lee VanRoss]

Now, I like you, your posts are generally pretty good. But you also make a real habit of needling folks and acting high and mighty. I don't know much, but I do know that the first one to an insult is usually the fool of the encounter.

The fact remains there is another option so your only option falls on its face. Your feeling needled is the result of your own lack of attention to
detail. The question was and remains, "What breed are these cows?" Logic would dictate the original owner would, could, should have the
best access to that information.. The best you have to offer is, ''the only way to know for sure is to run some kind of test" which in all probability
you would have no part in. Other than idle curiosity I could give a rat's __ __ __ the breed of the cattle in question.
That you are miffed or had your feelings hurt makes my heart heavier than a bucket of hog livers. Happy now?

 

[50/50Farms]

Yawn... to the arguing.

But I gotta say, the story of the "cracker" named cattle/cowboy is fascinating. I was born in Florida and have never heard this stuff. I guess that's what happens when an 18 month old baby gets kidnapped to the west and ripped from their heritage... LOL

I do apologize, I never set out for anything other than civil discussion. I remain set that I'm not the one holding the poker for the fire here.

I'm glad that you got something out of the cracker discussion. If you're retired and have a horse then you might try to make the trail ride. I want to go next year if I can.

 

[50/50Farms]

The fact remains there is another option so your only option falls on its face. Your feeling needled is the result of your own lack of attention to
detail. The question was and remains, "What breed are these cows?" Logic would dictate the original owner would, could, should have the
best access to that information.. The best you have to offer is, ''the only way to know for sure is to run some kind of test" which in all probability
you would have no part in. Other than idle curiosity I could give a rat's __ __ __ the breed of the cattle in question.
That you are miffed or had your feelings hurt makes my heart heavier than a bucket of hog livers. Happy now?

I'll bite, and it's the last time I will. You haven't hurt my feelings, you aren't nearly important enough to me to do that. As far as the provenance of their breeding, OP said the original owner might know, which might be helpful if they can get up with them. The reason I said the only surefire way would be a test is because the mixed up mutts usually don't carry papers and the only way you'd know for sure is if you owned what they were bred out of when their gene pools joined or knew whoever did.

You're a solid fellow, I believe that, but you get too revved up I think.

 

[Lee VanRoss]

I'll bite, and it's the last time I will. You haven't hurt my feelings, you aren't nearly important enough to me to do that. As far as the provenance of their breeding, OP said the original owner might know, which might be helpful if they can get up with them. The reason I said the only surefire way would be a test is because the mixed up mutts usually don't carry papers and the only way you'd know for sure is if you owned what they were bred out of when their gene pools joined or knew whoever did.

You're a solid fellow, I believe that, but you get too revved up I think.

Possible.. Me mother was a Harp!

 

[MurraysMutts]

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1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again....

 

[alacowman1]

I'm bettin on that last one to transpire

 

[NewMoo]

It's fine if you want to raise welfare cattle for someone else to eat.
With today's inputs that box of pasture crayons won't ring the bell.

They rang my bell. Period.

 

[MurraysMutts]

They rang my bell. Period.

But what are they?
We all NEED to know now.

Shes doing a good job it seems.

 

[NewMoo]

Being in this area..you don't see real cracker cattle ..but you will see plenty of longhorn thrown out in the pastures from the roping arenas..course if infact they were cracker, they would be taken for longhorn, from the average guy..don't know if she was a roper cause they got to those horns fairy early..she likely has roping stock in her pedigree..

That's really interesting. I spoke to the previous owner. He said the roan-faced one is longhorn/black angus. The cow/calf pair is 3/4 black angus and 1/4 longhorn. I'm okay with that, but I was thinking I had found a Randall in the mix.

Thanks for your thoughts!