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There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.

it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
 

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Nesikep":6dzdc9v1 said:
There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.

it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.
 

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greybeard":2mk2qrk7 said:
Nesikep":2mk2qrk7 said:
There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.

it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.
Wonder how long it took them to convince the indians they needed wagons and horses so they could use their new wheel?? Or houses so they could put arches in them?? Or a chair so they could fall out of it. The indians needed none of these things.
 

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TexasBred":1ri19d8k said:
greybeard":1ri19d8k said:
Nesikep":1ri19d8k said:
There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.

it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.
Wonder how long it took them to convince the indians they needed wagons and horses so they could use their new wheel?? Or houses so they could put arches in them?? Or a chair so they could fall out of it. The indians needed none of these things.
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
 

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TexasBred":1eusufzk said:
greybeard":1eusufzk said:
Nesikep":1eusufzk said:
There was a chief that was shown all of white man's wonders, and then asked what he found the most interesting.

it was glue and matches.. heck with the locomotive or whatever else...
I read it was a chair, masonry arch, and the wheel. Europeans brought all of those to the new world for the first time.
Wonder how long it took them to convince the indians they needed wagons and horses so they could use their new wheel?? Or houses so they could put arches in them?? Or a chair so they could fall out of it. The indians needed none of these things.

Along with being four thousand years behind the rest of the world.
Truly Stone Age man that never even got to the Bronze Age.
Doomed from the start too many years in time apart and not enough time to change.
 

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greybeard":16uf25lm said:
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.
 

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TexasBred":6qrbvw1h said:
greybeard":6qrbvw1h said:
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.

Aztecs,Incas and Mayan's were the exception to the rule.
The majorities lifestyle still doomed them as a civilization.
Some of the Indian tribes were yanked from stone age man to nearly the beginning of the twentieth century in less
than a hundred years. Living as hunter gathers with the demise of the buffalo so went their commissary of food shelter and clothing. They didn't have time to adapt or invent what they needed. They were to busy fighting for survival against a system they couldn't even understand the rest of the world left in 3000 BC.
 

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Caustic Burno":2yyu5px5 said:
TexasBred":2yyu5px5 said:
greybeard":2yyu5px5 said:
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.

Aztecs,Incas and Mayan's were the exception to the rule.
The majorities lifestyle still doomed them as a civilization.
Some of the Indian tribes were yanked from stone age man to nearly the beginning of the twentieth century in less
than a hundred years. Living as hunter gathers with the demise of the buffalo so went their commissary of food shelter and clothing. They didn't have time to adapt or invent what they needed. They were to busy fighting for survival against a system they couldn't even understand the rest of the world left in 3000 BC.
And don't forget they had been dissimated by all the European diseases too.
 

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TexasBred":1ahzq2x9 said:
greybeard":1ahzq2x9 said:
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.
So, what happened to these "advanced civilizations and their kids' toys?

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The first carts in the Old World were pulled by humans--it was a heck of a lot easier than dragging stuff along.
To say that terrain was an issue, neglects the fact that both Mayan and Inca civilizations had an extensive network of roadways, and of course, Native Americans, especially Plains Indians had plenty of access and made use of lots of flat land well before the first Spanish or Anglo ever hit the Eastern shore.

]The Maya constructed an elaborate system of elevated roads between major towns and cities using crushed limestone. The limestone is bright white, so they named this type of road a "sac be", meaning "white road", the plural being sacbeob.
Since the Maya didn't have horses or other pack animals, and also lacked wheeled vehicles, these roads were only used by pedestrians. The remarkable engineering feats of the Maya are even more amazing considering they didn't have metal tools, but achieved all that they did as a stone-age civilization.
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greybeard":2mxgnbtc said:
TexasBred":2mxgnbtc said:
greybeard":2mxgnbtc said:
Neither did the inventors of them at the time they were invented.
You don't really believe that???And CB they may have been behind "modern man" but there was no reason to advance. Europeans didn't advance until literally forced too..BTW Europe of the dark ages was probably less advanced than many indian villages of the time. :lol: :lol: You need to check out some of the South American indians. Call them primitive too if you want but I think you're seriously mistaken. The Maya ruins in the Yucatan contain a form of "arch" from several hundreds of years before Europeans arrived and toys have been unearthed in ruins in South America that date to BC all containing wheels on axles....having no beast large enough to pull any wheeled vehicle in such terrain they were never used for any other use. Large irrigation systems were build that moved water from mountains to deserts and large elevated aqueducts were constructed to bring water from the mountains to the cities about the same time as some of the Roman systems. The invented what they needed.
So, what happened to these "advanced civilizations and their kids' toys?

oldcarttwo.jpg

oldcartone.jpg

The first carts in the Old World were pulled by humans--it was a heck of a lot easier than dragging stuff along.
To say that terrain was an issue, neglects the fact that both Mayan and Inca civilizations had an extensive network of roadways, and of course, Native Americans, especially Plains Indians had plenty of access and made use of lots of flat land well before the first Spanish or Anglo ever hit the Eastern shore.

]The Maya constructed an elaborate system of elevated roads between major towns and cities using crushed limestone. The limestone is bright white, so they named this type of road a "sac be", meaning "white road", the plural being sacbeob.
Since the Maya didn't have horses or other pack animals, and also lacked wheeled vehicles, these roads were only used by pedestrians. The remarkable engineering feats of the Maya are even more amazing considering they didn't have metal tools, but achieved all that they did as a stone-age civilization.
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Very convenient you use the Yucatan which has an average altitude barely above sea level (less than 30 feet). The Inca of SA also built roads but most were truly footpaths...even today they're not the best in the world.....but if you could get to places like Lake Titicaca or LaPaz at 12,000 above sea level and yes they had LLamas as well there...you could carry small loads. As for the civilizations, like most they are all still there although huge numbers died of diseases brought by the invaders. .....they too have advanced and now live in somewhat modern homes with all the usual utilities, automobiles etc but most still speak the original language. Go to Cancun and most speak the Mayan dialect especially when you get out of the city...go to Bolivia and many still speak the Quechua or Inca language, both of which were early civilizations of the Andes...then for fun go to Puma Punku at Tiwanaku and see rocks cut which such exactness it still cannot be duplicated exactly with lazers. Even walls build with huge stones using no mortar fit with such precision you cannot slip a piece of paper between them. I never got to see any of these but we have a box of pictures at home that my dad took when we lived there. Old and yellow now but still amazing. Aliens maybe??? One temple has heads with features that depict almost ever race in the world. :shock: :shock:

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