What Color Is This Calf?

[GoWyo]

Club calf sires are generally mutts with Chianina, Maine Anjou, Shorthorn in the mix along with Simmental and Angus. A lot of the clubby sires go back to Heatwave https://www.lautnerfarms.com/product/heatwave/ and Who Made Who https://universalsemensales.com/breeds/club-calf/who-made-who and maybe Irish Whiskey https://cattlevisions.com/irish-whiskey/
I haven't paid attention to the club calf sires in a number of years. We did have some decent calves by In God We Trust and Lovin the Business https://www.hornlivestock.com/bulls.html

I thought Lovin the Business moved pretty well and he seemed to throw sound calves for us.

 

[simme]

And your club calf sires are much more likely to carry a lethal genetic defect. So much fluffy hair that you can just carve out what you want with clippers.

 

[Travlr]

And your club calf sires are much more likely to carry a lethal genetic defect. So much fluffy hair that you can just carve out what you want with clippers.

Yeah, I was noticing that. What's the genetic defect they carry?
So these a show cattle with no real world use for any serious livestock producers. Kind of like those Chinese Crested dogs that can't keep their tongues in their mouths? Just something that attracts people that like odd **it?

 

[GoWyo]

Yeah, I was noticing that. What's the genetic defect they carry?
So these a show cattle with no real world use for any serious livestock producers. Kind of like those Chinese Crested dogs that can't keep their tongues in their mouths? Just something that attracts people that like odd **it?

Same as what people bred halter horses for show. Some of them had no other horse competition or use function.

 

[MurraysMutts]

Difference between a well built "commercial" steer. And a clubby steer. View attachment 57397View attachment 57398

I watched one sell almost exactly like that bottom one a couple weeks ago. Almost bought him he was so cheap. I know he was well fed and my freezer is empty. That's the kind I picture when I think club calf. Saw two pairs sell a few years back at a small local sale barn. They went really cheap. Both mamas had fresh c-sections. The calves were cute as a freaking button even as newborns.

Yeah, I was noticing that. What's the genetic defect they carry?
So these a show cattle with no real world use for any serious livestock producers. Kind of like those Chinese Crested dogs that can't keep their tongues in their mouths? Just something that attracts people that like odd **it?

Show n go!
Bout all they are good for I think. See my above reply as well.

Edited to add...
The 2 pair that sold years ago were a co-workers stock. Idk why they sold them honestly. He had a dang air conditioned barn to keep his animals in!!

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

Yeah, I was noticing that. What's the genetic defect they carry?
So these a show cattle with no real world use for any serious livestock producers. Kind of like those Chinese Crested dogs that can't keep their tongues in their mouths? Just something that attracts people that like odd **it?

They carry
TH (Tibial Hemimelia)

PHA (Pulmonary Hypoplasia with Anasarca)

and DS (Digital Subluxation)

Show cattle have the same exact purpose and any other cattle plus showing them. Show cattle genetics are getting more fine tuned to be super good moms, great udders, lots of milk, good growth. All of my show cattle have grown way better, quicker, and bigger than any commercial ones I haves. If your careful about what your doing when it comes to genetic defects, pedigrees, and structure, they come out looking amazing.

And yes, if they're not clubby enough they're worth the same amount as any other normal steer/heifer. If they are clubby enough and correct I've seen them sell for ranges in $1xx,xxx.

 

[Travlr]

They carry
TH (Tibial Hemimelia)

PHA (Pulmonary Hypoplasia with Anasarca)

and DS (Digital Subluxation)

Show cattle have the same exact purpose and any other cattle plus showing them. Show cattle genetics are getting more fine tuned to be super good moms, great udders, lots of milk, good growth. All of my show cattle have grown way better, quicker, and bigger than any commercial ones I haves. If your careful about what your doing when it comes to genetic defects, pedigrees, and structure, they come out looking amazing.

And yes, if they're not clubby enough they're worth the same amount as any other normal steer/heifer. If they are clubby enough and correct I've seen them sell for ranges in $1xx,xxx.

Well I guess it takes all kinds. I don't condone breeding animals with harmful genetic defects just to fit in with a tribe or groupthink or because it's cool. Personally, I think it's kind of sick. No wonder there are so many odd calves being born lately.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

Well I guess it takes all kinds. I don't condone breeding animals with harmful genetic defects just to fit in with a tribe or groupthink or because it's cool. Personally, I think it's kind of sick. No wonder there are so many odd calves being born lately.

With genetic testing your not breeding carriers to carriers, therefore you don't have any affected calves.

Every single breed of cows have certain genetic defects.

 

[backhoeboogie]

Mine always turn green when I haul them to the sale barn.

 

[Travlr]

With genetic testing your not breeding carriers to carriers, therefore you don't have any affected calves.

Every single breed of cows have certain genetic defects.

Knowingly using carriers of lethal genetic material is... well... irresponsible would be the politically correct term but I'd use another. We all know these defects get into the population at large and will affect hard working people that don't need the misery involved.

 

[sunnyblueskies]

Never heard of a 'club calf'. My 5 cents...... the calf will be slightly off white when grown. Not pure white. The slight colour variations like the socks will be hardly visible when it's grown.
We have CharX and crossed with Shorthorn. Interesting colours in calves, thats for sure.

 

[TexasJerseyMilker]

Thank you for getting back to the subject. At my county fair the 4'h kids are not allowed to show haircut cattle, have to be natural coated. In the dairy world, show heifers often grow up to be kicking witches in the milking parlor because of the way they were raised.

 

[AmandaQ]

This thread was very informative and I think that white calf is gorgeous!

 

[TexasJerseyMilker]

My next heifer (due in a week) already has a name. It's Pinky. This color calf looks like a Pinky to me. She probably won't stay that way though.

I made a pet out of the mother of Pinky. She was my first bottle calf. She grew up to be a kicking witch in the milking parlor. The heifers I raise now I treat with kindness, to be respectful and lead and tie but don't put bows on them or let them hang out on the front porch.

 

[backhoeboogie]

Never heard of a 'club calf'. My 5 cents...... the calf will be slightly off white when grown. Not pure white. The slight colour variations like the socks will be hardly visible when it's grown.
We have CharX and crossed with Shorthorn. Interesting colours in calves, thats for sure.

There are folks who specialize in club calves. A local breeder has been at it for decades. People come from everywhere to buy the calves for stock shows. Same for hogs.

 

[TexasJerseyMilker]

There s some people across the river from us that sell 4H kids show piglets for $800. Seems like a scam to me.

 

[M.Magis]

Its hardly a scam as long as people know what they're buying. And the people calling about $800 piglets know exactly what they're looking for.

 

[Travlr]

Its hardly a scam as long as people know what they're buying. And the people calling about $800 piglets know exactly what they're looking for.

I don't believe the point of 4-H is to separate kids depending on what kind of animals they can afford. I thought 4-H was supposed to be training kids in how to become future farmers with real animals that are actually used on farms.

If I'm wrong... then there is something wrong with how 4-H has evolved over time.

 

[Louthelivestockguy]

I don't believe the point of 4-H is to separate kids depending on what kind of animals they can afford. I thought 4-H was supposed to be training kids in how to become future farmers with real animals that are actually used on farms.

If I'm wrong... then there is something wrong with how 4-H has evolved over time.

One of the reasons my dad didn't want me in 4H. A lot of politics and last name favoritism's in the fairs and shows and has been that way for a few generations now. Also spending 10 hours a week with one animal is not teaching sound time management either.

 

[texoman]

I don't believe the point of 4-H is to separate kids depending on what kind of animals they can afford. I thought 4-H was supposed to be training kids in how to become future farmers with real animals that are actually used on farms.

If I'm wrong... then there is something wrong with how 4-H has evolved over time.

FFA is the same here. Folks (as in parents or someone like that) pay LOTS of money for their kid's show animals to win. In the same school barn, people that are griping about such things are in the the ones paying that money for the animals and are in that "click" that benefit.