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My pasture is 40 acres. We have installed 4 water points and 1.5 inch water line to connect them.
The last step/phase is to create the "wet well" that is fed via the farm pond. NRCS has just given some pictures as examples
so I have attached something similar and would love your opinions of which option would be best and pros/cons to each.
My plan was to have it about 20 feet from the pond.
 

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I would just put in a domestic well with a solar pump. Ponds do run dry and it is an improvement to your property.
I thought about that...but we don't live on the property and the cost was not reasonable for just cattle water. WE have already bought the solar well pump and solar panels
 
anyway to run it off your private well? I've had / seen so many farms with those setups and have never seen one working yet. I have 4 of them on this farm and none work at all.
 
anyway to run it off your private well? I've had / seen so many farms with those setups and have never seen one working yet. I have 4 of them on this farm and none work at all.
We dont have a private well. What does not work about them...lack of water flow...or the pump set up?
 
How deep is your water table? It has been my experience with NRCS projects that they are excessively over built or don't work at all.
don't know how deep it is. The pics I posted were just to siphon from an existing pond...that does not fluctuate much in water level even during drought.
 
I don't have any experience with those; but in this area, I think that sediment sump would fill with silt/sediment and the submersible pump would be submerged in mud and not pumping. I think the submerged gravel waterway entrance to the sump would plug as well. Some areas have different soils, grass right up to the water and no silt. Might work ok there, but ponds here tend to get a lot of clay silt.
 
We dont have a private well. What does not work about them...lack of water flow...or the pump set up?
usually just get filled with muck and plug up. wading into a pond to fix it doesn't sound fun to me. I remember someone thought up something to keep them going for longer. maybe placing a bucket or something so it floats up a few feet from the bottom? I can't remember exactly but that seemed like it would work pretty good as long as you keep the cattle fenced out of the pond.
 
I have put in a number of those for folks. Wrap the gravel in nonwoven geotextile. I do not know your state's designations for stone size but use a poorly graded (all about the same size) stone that is like the septic tank drain stone or actually the bigger size works the best. Keep the pump off of the bottom of the well that you create. Don't try to scrimp on the size of the gravel vein that you use to bring water to the well.
 
I have put in a number of those for folks. Wrap the gravel in nonwoven geotextile. I do not know your state's designations for stone size but use a poorly graded (all about the same size) stone that is like the septic tank drain stone or actually the bigger size works the best. Keep the pump off of the bottom of the well that you create. Don't try to scrimp on the size of the gravel vein that you use to bring water to the well.
Thanks. Could I ask a few questions. When you build them
1. how far away from pond do you placed the stand pipe
2. do you only use gravel or pipe only or both? to get the water to the pump pit
3. how wide of gravel field to bring water?
4. how deep below frost level do you go?

I appreciate your help
 
Thanks. Could I ask a few questions. When you build them
1. how far away from pond do you placed the stand pipe
2. do you only use gravel or pipe only or both? to get the water to the pump pit
3. how wide of gravel field to bring water?
4. how deep below frost level do you go?

I appreciate your help
On a pond, it is a matter of maintenance. Leave enough room to mow and access the pond edge. On a stream, pick the inside of a curve and know that it can still erode over time so you move back farther.

We just used what is called surge stone in SC. About 4" stone. I would cover the end of the 4" stone in the pond with some larger stone just to keep it stable. The rocks that open to the pond should not be covered in geotextile to avoid the clogging of it by iron bacteria over time if that is a problem in your water and soils. The problem with a pipe to the pond is that it can bring in sediments, algae... If you want to use a pipe, be in the 2nd thermocline of the pond which is roughly from 5' to 10' below the surface. That is the better quality water without the floating trash. Below 10' you will get more odor and off taste. Use some filter, an elbow or something to try to keep it from being a trash problem at the pipe intake over time. At a fish hatchery, a solid pipe went into the pond, a flexible hose was added and a filter was on the end. They could lift the filter and clean it as needed. That is an additional cost deal.

Using a trackhoe, the trench was generally 3" wide. You can let the grade fall towards the well to enhance flow. Using stone, as described, allows about 33% pore space at most. So it might look big but it is not as much flow as you might think.

We don't have frost level here except for a few inches. But you do need the water where you pump to stay fluid.

Water flow through the rock versus pumping rate. This also ties to access. Use as big of a diameter pipe for the well as you can. It stores water like a reservoir in that bigger area. And if you go big enough and you ever need to get to the bottom and service the system - you can.
 
On a pond, it is a matter of maintenance. Leave enough room to mow and access the pond edge. On a stream, pick the inside of a curve and know that it can still erode over time so you move back farther.

We just used what is called surge stone in SC. About 4" stone. I would cover the end of the 4" stone in the pond with some larger stone just to keep it stable. The rocks that open to the pond should not be covered in geotextile to avoid the clogging of it by iron bacteria over time if that is a problem in your water and soils. The problem with a pipe to the pond is that it can bring in sediments, algae... If you want to use a pipe, be in the 2nd thermocline of the pond which is roughly from 5' to 10' below the surface. That is the better quality water without the floating trash. Below 10' you will get more odor and off taste. Use some filter, an elbow or something to try to keep it from being a trash problem at the pipe intake over time. At a fish hatchery, a solid pipe went into the pond, a flexible hose was added and a filter was on the end. They could lift the filter and clean it as needed. That is an additional cost deal.

Using a trackhoe, the trench was generally 3" wide. You can let the grade fall towards the well to enhance flow. Using stone, as described, allows about 33% pore space at most. So it might look big but it is not as much flow as you might think.

We don't have frost level here except for a few inches. But you do need the water where you pump to stay fluid.

Water flow through the rock versus pumping rate. This also ties to access. Use as big of a diameter pipe for the well as you can. It stores water like a reservoir in that bigger area. And if you go big enough and you ever need to get to the bottom and service the system - you can.
Thanks you very much
 
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