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Hello guys! After reviewing this forum for a long time this is my first post on the site.

I have a newbie question that I have seached the forum for and couldnt get an answer.

I have around 10acres that I have been preparing the past few months to raise some cattle on next year. My question is something that I have been trying to resolve with no luck. This land is some rolling hills and level pasture. I have a few buildings on the land, barns,sawmill building shed etc. The one thing I do not have is a water source on the property. There is no water lines, ponds, creeks etc. Looking for some ideas on how to get water to this land for the cattle, thought about maybe using rainwater collection tanks since I plan on only running about 5 to 10 head on the land. ANy advice is appreciated.
 
123maxbars":d07tn6q1 said:
Hello guys! After reviewing this forum for a long time this is my first post on the site.

I have a newbie question that I have seached the forum for and couldnt get an answer.

I have around 10acres that I have been preparing the past few months to raise some cattle on next year. My question is something that I have been trying to resolve with no luck. This land is some rolling hills and level pasture. I have a few buildings on the land, barns,sawmill building shed etc. The one thing I do not have is a water source on the property. There is no water lines, ponds, creeks etc. Looking for some ideas on how to get water to this land for the cattle, thought about maybe using rainwater collection tanks since I plan on only running about 5 to 10 head on the land. ANy advice is appreciated.
You must keep in mind a single cow will drink between 12-20 gallons of water a day. Either way you look at it you are going to have to Do one of the following. 1. Dig a well. 2. Run some water lines. 3. Dig a pond. 4. Haul water from another source. The rainwater collection tanks won't work because they can't gather run off water and thus cannot hold enough water to service 10 cows. Well, depending on location it is very unlikely.
 
What type of cattle , cows and calves or stockers? Where are you located where you can run one head to the acre?
 
Your cattle must have a reliable source of water. You can haul it to a tank every day or so but that will get old fast.

I bet you plan to build a house or cabin on it some day somewhere. If so, pick that spot and bite the bullet and have a well put in with a well-top underground pressure tank and electricity run to it, near to the house/cabin site.

Layout your pastures so that you can do rotational grazing and have lanes to a central watering point. Have water and electric lines trenched from the well/cabin site to the waterer location, pour a concrete pad, put a concrete waterer on it and you are set for life. Basically do it right the first time.

Yes it's expensive but not going to get any less so in the future. You will need water and electricity for about anything you ever want to do with the property. with current low interest rates you should be able to get a reasonable long term/low payment loan to do it. It will increase the value of your property more than what it costs to do. Lenders love to write a loan on something like this. Use a reputable well driller, not the low bid.

Depends on your future plans. I went through the same decision process on water many years ago.

It would be very helpful to have at least a general location/state in your post. Good luck.

Jim
 
123maxbars":1f0yxusp said:
Hello guys! After reviewing this forum for a long time this is my first post on the site.

I have a newbie question that I have seached the forum for and couldnt get an answer.

I have around 10acres that I have been preparing the past few months to raise some cattle on next year. My question is something that I have been trying to resolve with no luck. This land is some rolling hills and level pasture. I have a few buildings on the land, barns,sawmill building shed etc. The one thing I do not have is a water source on the property. There is no water lines, ponds, creeks etc. Looking for some ideas on how to get water to this land for the cattle, thought about maybe using rainwater collection tanks since I plan on only running about 5 to 10 head on the land. ANy advice is appreciated.


WAYS TO GET WATER ON YOUR LAND

1. Test for water. This is the first course of action when you are looking at rural land. Hire someone to make sure there is water available on the land and find out how deep it lies. A water source 500 feet down does not do much good if you cannot afford to drill a well that deep. Water only 15 feet underground may not be suitable for your needs as shallow water is often spoiled by surface contaminants. Some people use water dowsing or witching. This is a less scientific way to find water and leans heavily into the energetic identification of water. That said, I have seen it done to great success many times. Other options include hiring a geologist or drilling test wells. You can also review local water maps which will help you see known trends of water in your area.

2. Secure Water Rights. It is quite possible that the land you are looking at has both ground water and surface water available to you. That is great as long as you secure the water rights. It's easy to forget to lock down this paperwork with all of the other documents you will be reviewing and signing; however, it is extremely important that you confirm the rights to the water use. Without them, you will not be allowed to trap (make ponds) or use the water. A creek flowing through your land is less exciting when you can't use it to water your garden or swim in. Although still beautiful and healthy for your land without any water rights, the ability to use the water is very important when living in a rural setting.

3. No Water On Site. A big decision must be made if you find property that you like that does not have any access to water. The lack of access may be because the groundwater is too deep to make drilling financially viable or because there simply is not any water on the property at all. This does not have to be a deal breaker, although it most certainly should affect the offer you make on the property and/or the overall price of the land. Consider how much rain the area gets and how far the land is from town. These two considerations will be critical as you identify your options below.

a. Truck the water in- This is an ongoing expense that you will have to consider. Can you lower the purchase price of the land enough that the cost to truck-in and store water in an underground cistern could be added to your monthly expenses without negative repercussions? If the mortgage payment was going to be acceptable at $2000 per month and you can lower the price of the land purchase so that the land plus the cost of the water would equal that same $2000, then the deal could successfully move forward.

b. Harvest the rain- If there is adequate rainfall in the area, then you can consider collecting the rain and storing it on site. There will of course be extra costs for infrastructure, but will eliminate the long term cost of trucking-in water. You will need to build a collection source, storage area and pump, but this may not cost more than drilling an average well. By importing your first few truck loads of water, you can get a head start on the water collection. As the rainy seasons come, you can collect water from roof run-off and/or directly into the cistern. Care must be taken to collect and purify the water properly. Be sure to install a cistern that is bigger than what you think you need so that you can store more water in heavy rain years to make up for short comings in dry years.

c. Conserve water- This may seem obvious, but it is even more necessary when your potential source of water is limited. Talk to the sanitation and building departments about installing a composting toilet or other waterless system. In addition, consider installing a grey water system to reuse the water from sinks and showers around the home. A simple system will allow you to water your landscaping with water that would otherwise be thrown away.

d. Drill a Well- You can drill your own shallow water well using PVC and water hoses. It is a cheap and effective way to dig your own shallow water well. Well drilling or well boring isn't just for the pros with huge commercial drilling rigs. You can bye hand tools for drilling your own well for around $450 and Up, having your own water well can save you a lot of money.

Water is the gold or oil of the future as I see it. To me, the idea of using the limited drinking water our planet has to flush our waste down the toilet is wrong. I also think that building departments that do not allow grey water systems and composting toilets will soon be changing their ways as the demand for limited water picks up. Unfortunately, I think the departments around the world are on the slow side of this curve. Even if your property does have adequate water, I invite you to conserve it and use it wisely.

Hope this Helps!
 
My operation is about the same size. We have no well. I dug out a decent sized stock tank. That has worked well so far. I am concerned if we get a another serious drought however.
 
I have to haul a little water when I am weaning calves, or settling in some calves I am going to background. It's a pain. Avoid it all cost.
 
cow pollinater":ebbn0m6f said:
You need a windmill and a storage tank.
And a well for the mill to pump from. My well is about 200' deep and plenty of water, cost me $3200 not including sub pump and casing . Add a windmill and big tank to that and your easily looking at over $8K (for new 6' windmill, rods, well pump and mast ).
Maybe more than that.

http://www.obrockwindmills.com/www.obro ... Pumps.html

Maxbars--you might ask around and see if you have a nearby neighbor that will let you tie into his well temporarily for just enough water to water your cattle. Roll pipe is fairly inexpensive.
 
And, depending upon where you're located, you may not have to bury your waterlines - or at least, not until you're absolutely sure about where you want 'em to go.
I've got somewhere between 1.5 and 2 miles of 160psi 'burst-proof' black plastic waterline on my place, gravity-fed from an upland pond(~1500' of 1.25" running down hill, then necking down to 3/4" supply lines) to a dozen or more waterers made from combine/fertilizer-spreader tires, all of it on top of the ground, except in a few spots where it crosses a gate or roadway. Yes, it freezes in winter, but doesn't split/burst; may push apart at a joint or two, but easy to put back together. Cows are not in those paddocks during winter - the water tanks in the winter-feeding paddocks are supplied by buried waterlines(but also gravity-fed from a pond).

Of course, with only 10 acres you probably should set up a central watering point, and lay out your paddocks from that spot, but for others who may be considering water systems for larger acreages:
Fred Owen has some good pointers on installing a pasture water system here: http://userpages.bright.net/~fwo/sub09.html
His page has been up for years, he used to be a grass-based dairy producer. I've adopted/adapted some of his thoughts, but differ with him on some stuff - I need a bigger tank than half a 55 gallon barrel; the Jobe & Hudson valves are not good choices for pond water - too much algae/moss/tadpoles, etc., coming down the line stopping up strainers/diaphragms - you have to clean 'em out several times a day. Jobe & Hudson valves might work OK for water pumped from a well, if the pump's not sucking up sand/sediment, but I prefer the A.Y. McDonald float assemblies, plumbed in from the bottom of my tire waterers. Do NOT waste any $$ on the cheap Dare floats - unless all you've got drinking from the tank is one dog or horse - flow rate is too low, and cows/horses destroy them in short order.

More stuff here: http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department ... agdex11857
 
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