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mwj":1349uacm said:In the near future those super bulls could be cloned and collected for a large supply of semen.
And that puts a halt to the progression and improvement of the beef industry.
mwj":1349uacm said:In the near future those super bulls could be cloned and collected for a large supply of semen.
If you are refering to Smithfield/Packerland, they also bought a 5000 head one time capacity enclosed feedlot in Ohio ....Could this be a prototype experiment?Andybob":15xxkebs said:The first steps have already been taken. A large pig and poultry company has bought out at least three packing companies and feedlots, retaining their origional company names (at least for now),breeding herds are kept on grass irrigated with 'waste' water on the pig farms, and the weaners removed for feeding untill ready for feedlotting. Expansion is planned for this year, especially as the waste water produced grass is still underutilised at present. With enough cattle in the pipeline on their own farms, the prices can, in the future, be manipulated should they so wish to ,as sufficient slaughter stock will exist in their herds to keep the packers busy for long enough to force the price down. Many cattle producers may find themselves having to contract to the company in order to stay in business, as has happened in the pig industry.
No one will make you farm by the book. If you want to run cows to make a profit currently, you had better be raising what the establishment wants and doing it (sort of) as the establishmens says. You can raise Dexters (no offense Gale) or horns or something else but you'll be a discount to the market. I think it'll be you'll still have a market and row your own boat if you choose. It'll be a discount to the market which will be provided by the VI people.Andybob":2yyndstf said:No, Ollie, this is part of a well considered,planned, investment oppertunity which is to be expanded according to a business plan. I have no complaint about their expansion, I just want to insure a future for my children, not having to 'farm by the book'
in order to do what I enjoy. I need to ensure a market for the breed I like to work with, that will be sustainable in the future.
Andybob":atyvuhsf said:Bandonm2; I agree this has been the case untill recently, my point is that from this springboard of cattle kept on the pig farms, expansion into the cattle business is now being seriously persued under a different company name, but still an integral part of the overall company. Packing plants, feedlots and grazing are all being purchased, mill capacity already exists, but can quickly be expanded,and , following the pattern seen in the pig and poultry industry,the purchase of, and controll of in-house genetics will be a logical step in a few years time.
This is not some evil conspiracy, just a large company expanding its resources, my point is, what steps do existing cattle breeders take now in order to have their own businesses in 15-20 years time?
Contract to the company in the early stages.
Form your own branded product with like minded prodcers.
Accept you may just end up working for a large company as a manager.
Relatively few ranches are big enough to stand alone, small and medium producers need to be proactive in order to retain their own and their heir's future independence in the industry.
ollie'":2bzyqt56 said:I'm enjoying the thread and learning the difference in perspectives . One comment here Brock, are you thinking that the VI usually requires the capital to be invested by one source throughout the chain? I know Chicken growers own their houses and equipment , land, machinery , etc. I don't envision a different deal with cattle. I would assume that the VI company would own the seedstock and possibly the production stock but I see no need to own the land. I actually think that the sale of the production stock to you and I could be a source of revenue to the VI company. It's hard to find good, consistant females or stockers. Would you buy a hundred 1250.00 bred heifers if you had a guaranteed market for the next 6 years for your weaned calves at 750.00? Wouldn't the packer enjoy knowing they had a consistant source of feeder cattle that would all grade and feed alike and that would fit their processing and market specs?Texas PaPaw":2bzyqt56 said:IMO-we won't see much VI due to the huge amount of capitol required to graze the cow herd and the slow turnover of capitol due to 1 calf per cow/yr compared to 15-20 pigs per sow/yr and zillions of chickens per year.
Brock
Luter is no fool. Neither is Rich Vesta. If any big entity VI's the beef industry, Smithfield/Packerland will surely be involved.la4angus":2xizs571 said:Smithfield Foods Sees Building Beef-Processing Plant In US
DES MOINES, Iowa (Dow Jones)--Smithfield Foods Inc. (SFD), the nation's largest pork processor, said Wednesday it intends to build at least one beef-processing plant in the U.S. Southwest soon.
The plant would be supplied from cattle feedlots that Smithfield and a partner already operate. Those feedlots are in Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas and Idaho.
The facility is expected to cost about $150 million, half of which is likely to be assumed by an unnamed partner, Smithfield Chief Executive Joseph W. Luter III said during a conference call.
"We'll be applying for permits very shortly," he said. Luter indicated that a second processing facility could be added later if financially justified.
"We have enough cattle
under feed to supply two plants," Luter said.
Smithfield has secured land in the Southwest close to its feedlots for processing facilities, he said.
"It might sound crazy today," Luter said, referring to poor profit margins in the beef business now. "But," he added, "I do believe the cycle will turn around.
Source: Richard Gibson, Dow Jones Newswires; 515-282-6830; [email protected]