Vaccinating?

[j&lfarms]

I will be getting up the cows next week to move them around a little bit and plan on getting them pregnancy checked, wormed, and vaccinated. I usually don't mess with vaccinating too much because I typically run a closed herd with no cattle anywhere near mine. However, this year I have bought a new group and plan on vaccinating.

Thus far my plan is:
Womer (Noromectin Pour on)
Barvac 7
Vira shield 6+VL5
Triangle 10
Age
Preg Check
Tag

There are 8 cows, 1 bull, and 7 calves, tho I will only be vaccinating 8 cows, 1 bull, and 3-4 calves.
I will only black leg and worm the calves that need to stay on the mamas for at least another 2-3 months. The others are ready to be weaned and probably wont even be ran through the chute. Am I missing anything??? BTW I am located in South Central Kentucky

 

[branguscowgirl]

I don't have any use for the pour on wormer except for one that covers the lice. To be really effective against the worms, you need to use an injectable or tube worm. Or as my vet recommends, both at the same time.
I also give a selenium inj. With either the Bose or Muse.
Do you have any heifers that need Bangs?

 

[wbvs58]

J&L, I have always been of the opinion that the more isolated a group of animals are the more important it is to vaccinate. An isolated group is more likely to be without any immunity and so setting you up for a nasty crash if your perceived isolation biosecurity fails with the introduction of an infected animal or association with neighbouring animals.
Regardless the likes of the Clostridial diseases like Blackleg should be covered as these organisms are usually already there lurking in the soil just waiting for conditions to be favourable.
Ken

 

[bse]

Blackleg vac is cheap everything i have gets it cows and all calves, I dont use pour ons, inj for me, why wouldnt you worm the calves your weaning? Are you weaning on the road?

 

[John SD]

I've only had one cup of coffee this morning and can't think what Triangle 10 is? Isn't T10 a killed vaccine duplicating the VS-VL5? If so, use one or the other. Not both.

As long as you are worming and giving the calves blackleg, you might as well give them the Vira-Shield too, but not the VL5.

If they were my calves, I would give them pasturella vac too. I'd vaccinate all of the calves too. Why only do half of them??? Vaccine comes in 10 dose bottles so you would throw away a few doses anyway if you don't use it up.

Pour the bull last and give him shots if your have vaccine left over from the cows and calves. If not, pour him and let him go.

I don't like to give bulls an unpleasant experience unneccessarily especially in close quarters. Same reason I never rebranded a new bull either, it was much easier to save the paperwork when I went to sell him.

Vira-Shield is a killed product that can safely be given to calves nursing pregnant cows. If your cow's vaccinations are kept up to date each year, you can use a MLV vaccine on nursing calves. But ONLY if the cows are current on their shots.

I prefer MLV vaccines where applicable but you do have to be careful when you use them. IMO, MLV offers more bang for the buck than killed vaccines.

If/when in doubt, consult your vet or animal health specialist for protocols needed in your local area.

 

[tom4018]

I've only had one cup of coffee this morning and can't think what Triangle 10 is? Isn't T10 a killed vaccine duplicating the VS-VL5? If so, use one or the other. Not both.

As long as you are worming and giving the calves blackleg, you might as well give them the Vira-Shield too, but not the VL5.

If they were my calves, I would give them pasturella vac too. I'd vaccinate all of the calves too. Why only do half of them??? Vaccine comes in 10 dose bottles so you would throw away a few doses anyway if you don't use it up.

Pour the bull last and give him shots if your have vaccine left over from the cows and calves. If not, pour him and let him go.

I don't like to give bulls an unpleasant experience unneccessarily especially in close quarters. Same reason I never rebranded a new bull either, it was much easier to save the paperwork when I went to sell him.

Vira-Shield is a killed product that can safely be given to calves nursing pregnant cows. If your cow's vaccinations are kept up to date each year, you can use a MLV vaccine on nursing calves. But ONLY if the cows are current on their shots.

I prefer MLV vaccines where applicable but you do have to be careful when you use them. IMO, MLV offers more bang for the buck than killed vaccines.

If/when in doubt, consult your vet or animal health specialist for protocols needed in your local area.

John is right, the Virashield and Triangle are duplicating each other. Lots of vets in our area suggested Virashield, we have been using it for years. Hardjo Bovis Lepto is a problem in our area so I would suggest the ViraShield 6 VL5 HB.

With either product they will need a booster shot so make sure to follow directions. The blackleg on the calves also needs a booster, I would do all the calves over
1 month old myself. Read the labels on the vaccines you plan to use, you can look any of them up on Valley Vet and read labels. Some are not suggested on calves below a certain age.

IMO if you don't booster you are wasting money.

I have switched to injectable wormers.

 

[stocky]

When I asked my medicine salesman last week about wormers, here is what he told me.
The generic pour-on is alcohol based and does not absorb enough to do much good.
The name brand is oil based and does some good.
The injectable and oral are both better than the oil based pour on.
The injectable and the oral done together will get 95 percent of all the worms.
What you people are saying seems to say that he is telling it like it is

 

[denvermartinfarms]

When I asked my medicine salesman last week about wormers, here is what he told me.
The generic pour-on is alcohol based and does not absorb enough to do much good.
The name brand is oil based and does some good.
The injectable and oral are both better than the oil based pour on.
The injectable and the oral done together will get 95 percent of all the worms.
What you people are saying seems to say that he is telling it like it is

My vet who has been in business since 1959 would agree with that. He says pour on does nearly nothing, and that drenching and injecting is the only way to do a good job.

 

[pricefarm]

What kind of drench wormer is best ?

 

[denvermartinfarms]

What kind of drench wormer is best ?

I use synanthic, but there are others that may work as good or better.