tom4018":134l0icd said:I know the genectics would be the same but to me first calf heifers seem to wean a smaller calf. Would you buy a bull out of a first calf heifer?
CosgrayHerefords":1enhz4kk said:Usually we do not keep any bulls from heifers. You do not know how the heifer truly produces. We usually only keep a bull from a proven producer.
Thanks for that Knersie. This has really been interesting to see the varied opinions. My heifer has put down TWO beautiful animals and raised them BOTH and working on next years produce. I would think her son's get will be better than he is.KNERSIE":14gr0nwa said:CosgrayHerefords":14gr0nwa said:Usually we do not keep any bulls from heifers. You do not know how the heifer truly produces. We usually only keep a bull from a proven producer.
By weaning time I have a pretty good idea what the first calver is made of, I cull very strict so if a bullcalf out of a first calver is good and in par with the weaning weights of the rest of the herd, the heifer is back in calf and in good condition I don't see why you would routinely cull the calves based on that. I feel if I've done my job as a breeder the first calvers are the best genetics in the cow herd, it would only make sense to use that to your advantage.
novatech":2qjwn4yz said:But as a matter if logic it seems as though that is where one would aquire the best calving ease bulls.
Just doesn't seem like a lot of people would need calving ease bulls on older cows. Most of these bulls are selected for heifers I would think and not necessary for older cows. Like I said I am no expert and not accustomed to how others make their selections.dun":5030r9l0 said:novatech":5030r9l0 said:But as a matter if logic it seems as though that is where one would aquire the best calving ease bulls.
Why would that be?
CosgrayHerefords":2gv1djfn said:Usually we do not keep any bulls from heifers. You do not know how the heifer truly produces. We usually only keep a bull from a proven producer.
bigbull338":8acze7qn said:the heifer always carries better genetics than her momma.so that means the bull has good genetics.
Aero":qf6ig0ac said:bigbull338":qf6ig0ac said:the heifer always carries better genetics than her momma.so that means the bull has good genetics.
that's the worst assumption and the worst logic i have ever read here.
you assume the breeder knows what they're doing and that the cow he is out of was good.