Urgent

[Nick Wagner]

If you have vets in your town, you're luckier than most.
I also have vets in my town that a lot of people consider to be "bad vets"
They get that reputation because they treat the animals for the problem and not the owner's diagnosis of the problem. Always be sure that you treat your vet with the same respect you would your doctor. They went to school for a long time to be knowledgeable enough to practice, and work in terrible conditions on patients that can't say what hurts. Give them a break and understand that they cannot diagnose anything on the phone, or necessarily fix a problem you say you have. They are the experts and should be treated as such. You'd be surprised how good they actually are if you give them respect, give them what they need, and let them do their job. Even if you think they are mistreating your precious bovine.

Almost funny story. Some 30 years ago, had a heifer in my replacement group, of course the nicest looking one, suddenly stopped eating. Next morning called the vet, said I suspect hardware, he came right out. Wasn't sure what was wrong but was pretty sure it wasn't hardware, took a blood sample and went back to his office. Next morning I called in, he came back, said her blood sugar levels were low. No kidding, she hadn't ate in over 24 hours. He was out 5 days in a row. Last time he was here, said maybe it was hardware. Heifer died the next day, vet did not come to the funeral.

I learned two things. It is cheaper for them to die without a vet bill, wouldn't have stung so bad if he hadn't been so sure at first it wasn't hardware. And the good ones are those that don't die. Could possibly be other conclusions one could draw, doesn't change the outcome, or pay the vet bill.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

With a 104 degree temperature and hard breathing I'd definitely be contacting a vet and getting more antibiotics. There are a few over the counter antibiotics still available if no vet will sell any.

Finally got the vet to get back to us. Leaving us the correct dose of Draxxin, and told us to give her banimine sub q for fever.

 

[Travlr]

It is cheaper for them to die without a vet bill, And the good ones are those that don't die. Could possibly be other conclusions one could draw, doesn't change the outcome, or pay the vet bill.

Amen to that. Seems vets are in a quandary. They are hobbled by high costs and have a hard time justifying a trip to the country for an animal that is just as likely to die as get better... and the one surety is that the livestock owner will cry about the bill being too high. Especially when they can stay in the clinic treating pets that owners will pay anything to save, even when they are in the process of dying, and the owners will kiss the ground the vet walks on.

And are we going to get the replacement value of the lost profit as a write-off when we can't get meds to save an animal? It does seem that there is an inverse relationship to the hopes we have for our best livestock and their ability to survive.

 

[kenny thomas]

We had plenty draxxin but have had to doctored a lot of calves and waiting for more to get here.

If you have doctored a lot of other calves it seems she has caught whatever they had.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

If you have doctored a lot of other calves it seems she has caught whatever they had.

Nope, hasn't been anywhere near. They had completely different stuff. Not even on the same property now, there all sold.

 

[GoWyo]

Sometimes they just get sick. Get the full dose of antibiotic in her plus banamine (the transdermal pour on is way handier to use) and monitor her temp every day to know whether and how well she is responding to treatment.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

Sometimes they just get sick. Get the full dose of antibiotic in her plus banamine (the transdermal pour on is way handier to use) and monitor her temp every day to know whether and how well she is responding to treatment.

Vet said to check temperature every 12hrs and repeat banamine if she still has a fever. We only have the shot version

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

"IF" you had taken the temperature BEFORE you called the vet, you would have been told to give an antibiotic and you would have been ahead of the game. Learning curve. Take temperature FIRST. Also, just because you had sick animals at a different location, YOU can transport the disease with your hands, clothes, boots, etc. Not uncommon to happen.

 

[kenny thomas]

"IF" you had taken the temperature BEFORE you called the vet, you would have been told to give an antibiotic and you would have been ahead of the game. Learning curve. Take temperature FIRST. Also, just because you had sick animals at a different location, YOU can transport the disease with your hands, clothes, boots, etc. Not uncommon to happen.

Tractor tires, truck tires, ATV tires.

 

[Travlr]

"IF" you had taken the temperature BEFORE you called the vet, you would have been told to give an antibiotic and you would have been ahead of the game. Learning curve. Take temperature FIRST. Also, just because you had sick animals at a different location, YOU can transport the disease with your hands, clothes, boots, etc. Not uncommon to happen.

Tractor tires, truck tires, ATV tires.

This is why they wear rubber boots when raising chickens in those huge chicken houses and they have a tray of disinfectant at every entry.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

"IF" you had taken the temperature BEFORE you called the vet, you would have been told to give an antibiotic and you would have been ahead of the game. Learning curve. Take temperature FIRST. Also, just because you had sick animals at a different location, YOU can transport the disease with your hands, clothes, boots, etc. Not uncommon to happen.

The vet never asked about temp, insisted it was a trauma not a respiratory infection. Said we can give Draxxin if we want. She's gotten better, since we first discovered it, not worse. Which we gave to her anyways and it's helped.
So, I can transport a sickness that's completely different thing from what other calves had, that's was over three months ago, that weren't on the same property and now are sold and somewhere else. Got it.

 

[Travlr]

The vet never asked about temp, insisted it was a trauma not a respiratory infection. Said we can give Draxxin if we want. She's gotten better, since we first discovered it, not worse. Which we gave to her anyways and it's helped.
So, I can transport a sickness that's completely different thing from what other calves had, that's was over three months ago, that weren't on the same property and now are sold and somewhere else. Got it.

You getting frosty isn't going to win you any points with people that have been trying to help you... especially when you haven't done much except act like a newby that's making excuses instead of taking good advice.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

You getting frosty isn't going to win you any points with people that have been trying to help you... especially when you haven't done much except act like a newby that's making excuses instead of taking good advice.

I haven't made any excuses. And I have taken advice.

 

[kenny thomas]

Nope, hasn't been anywhere near. They had completely different stuff. Not even on the same property now, there all sold.

I misunderstood that part. I took it that you had used up the Draxxin at the same time you were needing it for this calf.
Sounds like it is on the mend.
It had all the symptoms of advanced shipping fever is why i considered it being brought from wherever you were using Draxxin. A temp of 104 isnt good. Sounds like it has lung damage. Hope that part recovers.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

I misunderstood that part. I took it that you had used up the Draxxin at the same time you were needing it for this calf.
Sounds like it is on the mend.
It had all the symptoms of advanced shipping fever is why i considered it being brought from wherever you were using Draxxin. A temp of 104 isnt good. Sounds like it has lung damage. Hope that part recovers.

No, we're just waiting on our new Draxxin to get here. It's out of stock where we get it from.

We've had her for a few months, and she's just had same daily thing. Turned out during day, brought in from night. I'm hoping her lungs will recover, but we'll see.

 

[puzzled in oregon]

Nope, hasn't been anywhere near. They had completely different stuff. Not even on the same property now, there all sold.

You were both places. Our vet always washed and disinfected his boots when his was ready to leave our barn, not matter what he was
treating an animal for. This was to prevent carrying anything from our barn to his next ranch call. This was common practice at each ranch/dairy.

 

[Travlr]

No, we're just waiting on our new Draxxin to get here. It's out of stock where we get it from.

We've had her for a few months, and she's just had same daily thing. Turned out during day, brought in from night. I'm hoping her lungs will recover, but we'll see.

Calves can get sick if they are kept in a warm, moist place at night. It's better they are cold and dry than warm and breathing humid air.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

You were both places. Our vet always washed and disinfected his boots when his was ready to leave our barn, not matter what he was
treating an animal for. This was to prevent carrying anything from our barn to his next ranch call. This was common practice at each ranch/dairy.

I didn't own this heifer when other calves were sick.

 

[Trixie Club Calves]

Calves can get sick if they are kept in a warm, moist place at night. It's better they are cold and dry than warm and breathing humid air.

Where they are at night is dry and just as cold as it is outside. Doesn't get moist at all. We're super careful about that.

 

[Travlr]

Where they are at night is dry and just as cold as it is outside. Doesn't get moist at all. We're super careful about that.

Any enclosed area gets moist if the space is small enough that the breath and wet bodies of animals makes the air the least little bit humid. A lot of barns killed a lot of animals because farmers were putting their stock inside at night. There's a line that once it gets crossed makes it dangerous. Dry to you might be exactly moist enough to make cattle sick.

I'm not saying that's what caused the problem, but it's something to consider instead of just jumping to a defense.