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My neighbors bull finally came across the fence in with our cows and bull. This is a huge black-white faced bull that can easily whip our reg angus. My neighbor called me and said that he would just sale me that bull for $500.00 and I fix the fence, so he wont have to mess with it all (he is selling all his cattle). This is a 4 year old bull, not sure what breed/s he is, but the neighbor told me he has beefmaster in him. These two bulls have been fighting a bit, just head to head pushing, and the neighbors bull has no problem pushing the angus. I want to buy the bull, but am wondering what harm these two bulls would do if they are in the same pasture for a couple months until I find a buyer for the bull? Will the pecking order be set up soon? I only should have one cow in heat (the others should all be bred back by now (I hope)) I think I can turn this bull and make some money if they dont harm each other or more fences. Thanks.

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> My neighbors bull finally came
> across the fence in with our cows
> and bull. This is a huge
> black-white faced bull that can
> easily whip our reg angus. My
> neighbor called me and said that
> he would just sale me that bull
> for $500.00 and I fix the fence,
> so he wont have to mess with it
> all (he is selling all his
> cattle). This is a 4 year old
> bull, not sure what breed/s he is,
> but the neighbor told me he has
> beefmaster in him. These two bulls
> have been fighting a bit, just
> head to head pushing, and the
> neighbors bull has no problem
> pushing the angus. I want to buy
> the bull, but am wondering what
> harm these two bulls would do if
> they are in the same pasture for a
> couple months until I find a buyer
> for the bull? Will the pecking
> order be set up soon? I only
> should have one cow in heat (the
> others should all be bred back by
> now (I hope)) I think I can turn
> this bull and make some money if
> they dont harm each other or more
> fences. Thanks.

I think you are right. If the white face bull weights 1600 lbs. he should bring about $800 dollars or more at the sale barn in todays market. I would't suggest using him or allowing him to harm my herd sire. Buy him and ship him as quick as you can.



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Anonymous

if there is clearly a difference in age and size, usually there's not much of a problem just turning them out together. the younger/smaller one may try to make sure the other knows he's a bull & not a cow :) but not too much serious fighting.
 
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Anonymous

You don’t need to get in a big hurry. One advantage of running two bulls together is that they tend to keep each other home. It’s not as tempting to go astray if you’re worried about missing out on something at home, especially when your competitor would get it all. If you can get the bull for less than he’s worth, get him. Then, if you only want/need one bull, decide which one you like best and sell the other one.

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Anonymous

The operative part of this statement is that "he has beefmaster in him". How much, what else? While buying him to resell may be ok, replacing your other bull with him would probably not be a good idea. Do his genetics compliment your cow herd, or is he a mongrel that would mongrelize your herd?

dun

> My neighbors bull finally came
> across the fence in with our cows
> and bull. This is a huge
> black-white faced bull that can
> easily whip our reg angus. My
> neighbor called me and said that
> he would just sale me that bull
> for $500.00 and I fix the fence,
> so he wont have to mess with it
> all (he is selling all his
> cattle). This is a 4 year old
> bull, not sure what breed/s he is,
> but the neighbor told me he has
> beefmaster in him. These two bulls
> have been fighting a bit, just
> head to head pushing, and the
> neighbors bull has no problem
> pushing the angus. I want to buy
> the bull, but am wondering what
> harm these two bulls would do if
> they are in the same pasture for a
> couple months until I find a buyer
> for the bull? Will the pecking
> order be set up soon? I only
> should have one cow in heat (the
> others should all be bred back by
> now (I hope)) I think I can turn
> this bull and make some money if
> they dont harm each other or more
> fences. Thanks.
 
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Anonymous

We have all cross bred cows, with all the colors. I am going to buy this bull, and I appreciate yalls advice and knowledge. I did think about keeping this bull and selling the angus, but this bull is so large, I feel I may have some calving problems. We have a few smaller cows, but they are proven birthers. I feel like, with that price, that I cant lose by buying him for $500.00- the guy told me he weighs 2000lbs, and I believe it. The two bulls are not pushing much anymore- I may even keep the bull- thanks for yalls knowledge.

> The operative part of this
> statement is that "he has
> beefmaster in him". How much,
> what else? While buying him to
> resell may be ok, replacing your
> other bull with him would probably
> not be a good idea. Do his
> genetics compliment your cow herd,
> or is he a mongrel that would
> mongrelize your herd?

> dun



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I am not sure what other breed he has, but he is built just like a large beefmaster bull, but is solid black, except for a white forehead. He is polled, and looks in great shape.

> We have all cross bred cows, with
> all the colors. I am going to buy
> this bull, and I appreciate yalls
> advice and knowledge. I did think
> about keeping this bull and
> selling the angus, but this bull
> is so large, I feel I may have
> some calving problems. We have a
> few smaller cows, but they are
> proven birthers. I feel like, with
> that price, that I cant lose by
> buying him for $500.00- the guy
> told me he weighs 2000lbs, and I
> believe it. The two bulls are not
> pushing much anymore- I may even
> keep the bull- thanks for yalls
> knowledge.



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Anonymous

i agree w/dun. sounds like if your cows are crossbreds & the bulls is too, your calves will be mutts. keep the angus & sell the new one.
 
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Anonymous

> We have all cross bred cows, with
> all the colors. I am going to buy
> this bull, and I appreciate yalls
> advice and knowledge. I did think
> about keeping this bull and
> selling the angus, but this bull
> is so large, I feel I may have
> some calving problems. We have a
> few smaller cows, but they are
> proven birthers. I feel like, with
> that price, that I cant lose by
> buying him for $500.00- the guy
> told me he weighs 2000lbs, and I
> believe it. The two bulls are not
> pushing much anymore- I may even
> keep the bull- thanks for yalls
> knowledge.

The fact that he is very large doesn't necessarily mean that the calves he sires will have a high birthweight. "It's in the genes". Of course many folks are concerned about 2,000+ pound bulls mounting smallish cows or heifers for reasons other than birthweight. But by now you should have a good idea as to what size calves he throws if he is from a neighbors pasture --- just by your own observations and discussions with your friendly neighbor. If you are thinking about keeping him it wouldn't hut to have your vet test him for STD's, sperm count & mobility, etc., essentially a BSE (I mean a "breeding soundness exam", not the "other" BSE). I imagine your neighbor really likes you and wouldn't try to pass off a problem bull to you, since he could "pound him out" at the local sale barn for a good bit more than he is offering to sell the bull to you.
 
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Anonymous

> Why do that the new one is black
> too! Wouldn't he need to get rid
> of both??

Always best to go with the better bull. A crossbred!
 
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Anonymous

Not if you don't know the cross!

dun

> Always best to go with the better
> bull. A crossbred!
 
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Anonymous

I decided to sell the big bull this weekend (or as soon as I can borrow a trailer). I feel I can double my money on him. We have about 3 cows that he may be too big for--the rest should handle him fine. I talked to my neighbor, he said he wasnt sure what other breed he is, but said his cows never had any problems birthing with his calves, and he had some smaller cows in his herd aswell. He bought him as a calf, and said he has been a great bull--but, I like our bull now and prices are right.

> The fact that he is very large
> doesn't necessarily mean that the
> calves he sires will have a high
> birthweight. "It's in the
> genes". Of course many folks
> are concerned about 2,000+ pound
> bulls mounting smallish cows or
> heifers for reasons other than
> birthweight. But by now you should
> have a good idea as to what size
> calves he throws if he is from a
> neighbors pasture --- just by your
> own observations and discussions
> with your friendly neighbor. If
> you are thinking about keeping him
> it wouldn't hut to have your vet
> test him for STD's, sperm count
> & mobility, etc., essentially
> a BSE (I mean a "breeding
> soundness exam", not the
> "other" BSE). I imagine
> your neighbor really likes you and
> wouldn't try to pass off a problem
> bull to you, since he could
> "pound him out" at the
> local sale barn for a good bit
> more than he is offering to sell
> the bull to you.



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Anonymous

I sold the bull this weekend at the sale barn and he brought $1,050.03. I paid $500.00 for him a week or so ago. I offered to just take him in for my neighbor and sale him in his name and give him the money, but he said no, just give me $500.00 and if you make money than it is yours... so, back to one bull, sold all the calves, now maybe the hay pile wont go down so fast.

> I decided to sell the big bull
> this weekend (or as soon as I can
> borrow a trailer). I feel I can
> double my money on him. We have
> about 3 cows that he may be too
> big for--the rest should handle
> him fine. I talked to my neighbor,
> he said he wasnt sure what other
> breed he is, but said his cows
> never had any problems birthing
> with his calves, and he had some
> smaller cows in his herd aswell.
> He bought him as a calf, and said
> he has been a great bull--but, I
> like our bull now and prices are
> right.



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