Trees to pasture...any advice

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In Missouri the trees will come back every year from seed so it will need to be mowed, and in a year the small trees will be large and thick enough that it will be hard on a bush hog. And then if you do beat your equipment up and still mow, the little stumps are tractor tire killers. Mowing around the large stumps is pretty hard. It's all trade offs, but I'd either push the trees down to get the stumps out or burn the stumps so the land could be mowed.
It is another one of those it is a big old world with lots of differences. I had some second growth Douglas Fir that I logged. I piled and burned the tops and limbs. There wasn't much brush growing under it. Threw out some grass seed and also fed in the area. The cows walked around those 30-45 inch stumps. Worked fine in western Washington.
 
It is another one of those it is a big old world with lots of differences. I had some second growth Douglas Fir that I logged. I piled and burned the tops and limbs. There wasn't much brush growing under it. Threw out some grass seed and also fed in the area. The cows walked around those 30-45 inch stumps. Worked fine in western Washington.
Yeah, the big old world. When I bought my place in Arkansas I didn't have a clue how fertile and lush it was going to be... and how that can even be a problem. The tree sprouts almost seemed to grow while you were looking at them, and thicker than the original tree cover. Fifty of them for every stump.

I kinda miss it. But the bugs drove me out. I could have fifty ticks on me just walking to the mailbox. And the chiggers.... 😖
 
I was actually thinking today... Maybe I just cut back the forest a few yards at a time. So cut down the trees, buy machine to move the logs into a pile and just have a logger come get them when there is a truck load. Im not sure yet how it will play out but I appreciate your model for sure.
Make arrangements for the logger before you cut anything. And see what length the logs need cut, usually by species. If White Oak or Walnut there can be a huge difference in price according to the time of year its cut.
 
Yeah, the big old world. When I bought my place in Arkansas I didn't have a clue how fertile and lush it was going to be... and how that can even be a problem. The tree sprouts almost seemed to grow while you were looking at them, and thicker than the original tree cover. Fifty of them for every stump.

I kinda miss it. But the bugs drove me out. I could have fifty ticks on me just walking to the mailbox. And the chiggers.... 😖
I hear this from time to time. I've lived here my whole life and don't think I've ever seen a chiggar. It's a rare occasion for me to pick a tick from my own flesh.

I'm fortunate to have a decoy that also smells really nice most of the time. Most of the kids are brown like me, but a couple of them are white like their momma. Them white ones are the gals I bring along.

Never had a problem with chicks or tiggers.
 
I hear this from time to time. I've lived here my whole life and don't think I've ever seen a chiggar. It's a rare occasion for me to pick a tick from my own flesh.

I'm fortunate to have a decoy that also smells really nice most of the time. Most of the kids are brown like me, but a couple of them are white like their momma. Them white ones are the gals I bring along.

Never had a problem with chicks or tiggers.
I think there is real truth behind the skin color difference in this case. I have seem this over the years in the military...different skin tones respond to different environments.
 
I was actually thinking today... Maybe I just cut back the forest a few yards at a time. So cut down the trees, buy machine to move the logs into a pile and just have a logger come get them when there is a truck load. Im not sure yet how it will play out but I appreciate your model for sure.
Maybe, IF you can find a logger in your area that will deal with small quantities..

Tip... IF you do decide to just cut a few trees each year at the beginning of your wooded area, and don't want a problem with every one re-sprouting, before you start your chainsaw..

Get a smalll spray bottle, mix 50/50 or 75/25 mixture of diesel/triclopyr (remedy) or even Tordon RTU. Cut late summer early fall just before leaves begin to change colors. This period is when most sap transport is going down, to store energy in the roots. Not all, but most. They say 'sap is dropping' but that's not exacly true. The vascular system of a plant (trees included) involves sap being pushed up and pushing the upper sap down, and gravity also helps kinda 'siphon' sap up to the leaves from the roots, but roots DO always push sap up, which is why it's important to treat that stump within a few minutes after cutting. Different kinds of saps. To put it simply, the stump and root system don't know the tree is gone and the roots keep pushing sap up, and form a boundary layer on top of the stump and the herbicide can't be drawn down into the root system if you wait too long.
1. Cut the tree down as close to ground as you can. (The logger can later cut the bole off if he wants to)
2. Brush the sawdust off the top of the stump.
3. Within 10-15 minutes (or sooner) of cutting, spray the outer couple of inches of the stump top with the herbicide. This is the cambian layer where the majority of the tree's vascular system is. The inner part of the stump is old vascular material from years past.

There are tons of youtube and other online resources to tell you how to do this. Some herbicide instructions say "you can do cut stump treat any time" but the best time is late summer/early fall becuase it's more effective.

Personal experience...
After my place was all piled up, I embarked on mowing, and mowing, and mowing. You get to know your place pretty good from the seat of a tractor. Twice a year I mowed and I soon noticed, I was mowing down some of the same plants I had mowed down 6 months earlier......

My thought process was, "No plant can survive without leaves". My place was immediately next to Sam Houston National Forest and one day a Texas Forest Service came walking down my fence marking the property line. I went out and talked to him a bit, explained what and how I was doing things and he shook his head no.
"You got a lawn I see and you probably cut your grass every week or 2. Does your lawn die?" I remember his words. "Mother Nature ain't perfect, but she's got resiliency down pat. You took the land from the forest, but the forest always wants it back..always." You need to get a good chemical program and kill that stuff once and for all."

That's when I parked the bush hogs and attended a class from TAMU call Brushbusters and learned a lot about herbicides and how to use them. The results were heads and shoulders above my mowing plan. Built my own trailer mounted spray rig with a 330 gal tote for a tank I started slaying weeds and brush.

You haven't stated your experience with a chain saw. They're dangerous as hell. Designed to quickly and efficiently cut thru hard wood and softwood. The first one I ever used was back in the late 60s, an old Poulan bow saw. (Those things should be outlawed). But later, got myself a new Stihl Farm Boss (around 2002) saw which was good for what I needed it for.
Flesh, muscle and bone ain't sheit to those teeth. Closest I ever came to serious injury was delimbing a big fallen tree top, and I was tired, that Stihl saw was getting heavy and when I cut thru a limb that was almost above me, I let the saw bar drop down and it sliced thru my wranglers barely missing my leg. Lucky or the Lord was looking after me. This one:
treefalldown.jpg

Size your saw to your ability and requirements. Don't oversize it to the point it's too long or heavy for you to safely use. They've gotten better and lighter since I bought that Farm Boss but I still have it tho I'm now really too old and decrepit to safely use it....
 
Size your saw to your ability and requirements. Don't oversize it to the point it's too long or heavy for you to safely use. They've gotten better and lighter since I bought that Farm Boss but I still have it tho I'm now really too old and decrepit to safely use it....

I've got a brother-in-law that only has one arm and the remaining arm was mangled in a car accident so it's only 50%. And he has a pile of firewood as tall as his house and thirty feet across... and he bought a chain saw. What can I say... :rolleyes:
 
Maybe, IF you can find a logger in your area that will deal with small quantities..

Tip... IF you do decide to just cut a few trees each year at the beginning of your wooded area, and don't want a problem with every one re-sprouting, before you start your chainsaw..

Get a smalll spray bottle, mix 50/50 or 75/25 mixture of diesel/triclopyr (remedy) or even Tordon RTU. Cut late summer early fall just before leaves begin to change colors. This period is when most sap transport is going down, to store energy in the roots. Not all, but most. They say 'sap is dropping' but that's not exacly true. The vascular system of a plant (trees included) involves sap being pushed up and pushing the upper sap down, and gravity also helps kinda 'siphon' sap up to the leaves from the roots, but roots DO always push sap up, which is why it's important to treat that stump within a few minutes after cutting. Different kinds of saps. To put it simply, the stump and root system don't know the tree is gone and the roots keep pushing sap up, and form a boundary layer on top of the stump and the herbicide can't be drawn down into the root system if you wait too long.
1. Cut the tree down as close to ground as you can. (The logger can later cut the bole off if he wants to)
2. Brush the sawdust off the top of the stump.
3. Within 10-15 minutes (or sooner) of cutting, spray the outer couple of inches of the stump top with the herbicide. This is the cambian layer where the majority of the tree's vascular system is. The inner part of the stump is old vascular material from years past.

There are tons of youtube and other online resources to tell you how to do this. Some herbicide instructions say "you can do cut stump treat any time" but the best time is late summer/early fall becuase it's more effective.

Personal experience...
After my place was all piled up, I embarked on mowing, and mowing, and mowing. You get to know your place pretty good from the seat of a tractor. Twice a year I mowed and I soon noticed, I was mowing down some of the same plants I had mowed down 6 months earlier......

My thought process was, "No plant can survive without leaves". My place was immediately next to Sam Houston National Forest and one day a Texas Forest Service came walking down my fence marking the property line. I went out and talked to him a bit, explained what and how I was doing things and he shook his head no.
"You got a lawn I see and you probably cut your grass every week or 2. Does your lawn die?" I remember his words. "Mother Nature ain't perfect, but she's got resiliency down pat. You took the land from the forest, but the forest always wants it back..always." You need to get a good chemical program and kill that stuff once and for all."

That's when I parked the bush hogs and attended a class from TAMU call Brushbusters and learned a lot about herbicides and how to use them. The results were heads and shoulders above my mowing plan. Built my own trailer mounted spray rig with a 330 gal tote for a tank I started slaying weeds and brush.

You haven't stated your experience with a chain saw. They're dangerous as hell. Designed to quickly and efficiently cut thru hard wood and softwood. The first one I ever used was back in the late 60s, an old Poulan bow saw. (Those things should be outlawed). But later, got myself a new Stihl Farm Boss (around 2002) saw which was good for what I needed it for.
Flesh, muscle and bone ain't sheit to those teeth. Closest I ever came to serious injury was delimbing a big fallen tree top, and I was tired, that Stihl saw was getting heavy and when I cut thru a limb that was almost above me, I let the saw bar drop down and it sliced thru my wranglers barely missing my leg. Lucky or the Lord was looking after me. This one:
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Size your saw to your ability and requirements. Don't oversize it to the point it's too long or heavy for you to safely use. They've gotten better and lighter since I bought that Farm Boss but I still have it tho I'm now really too old and decrepit to safely use it....
I think I have the next size down from the farm boss, maybe a 16 or 18 inch bar? Anyway I appreciate the wisdom here and will add it to the calculus. I think I need grass faster than doing it myself would achieve, so I am going to wait for the forester and run all the "good ideas" by him and see what he says. Ill report back to the team here once that meeting happens.
 
I'm fortunate to have a decoy that also smells really nice most of the time. Most of the kids are brown like me, but a couple of them are white like their momma. Them white ones are the gals I bring along.

My wife attracts every biting or stinging insect known to mankind. Year round, day or night. Reddish blond hair, and light slightly freckled skin. Moved here in part so she could get away from E Texas bugs, but she claims mosquitos still bite her every day , while I've only seen 1 or 2 in the last 2 years.

I got into chiggers once, years ago, cleaning out a big barn with the dirt floor full of fallen decaying leaves that had blown in there. Ate my ankles up good but not near as bad as the seed ticks from several decades previous when the county was open range and before the fire ants moved in.
 

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