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<blockquote data-quote="Stripey" data-source="post: 647728" data-attributes="member: 9714"><p>Wow, finally one I can answer!</p><p>Hi oakrunfarm — you're doing pretty much what I've done, even down to the belties.</p><p>What I've found is that almost everything can be done in the paddock with cattle that will come when you call/feed. That's how I do worming and stuff like that, though obviously I'm reliant on pour-ons.</p><p>But AI needs a crush/headbail. No doubt about that. You can make one in a holding yard on the long side (I would do it in rather than out — others might differ because of course an obstacle in a holding yard is a problem when pushing the cattle up the chute). But you will need that headbail.</p><p>My father in law said I should have bought 2 farm gates and set them up parallel the width of the cattle, with one able to swing, both attached to strainers — I never got around to it and haven't worked out the headbail part, let alone whether farm gates would be strong enough. Probably cattle panels/gate would be better (better access too).</p><p>But in the absence of AI, 2 years ago I put a weaner bull in with the cows, and when he was old enough he serviced them. He wasn't big enough to tread down a fence, but he could do the job. I know there are potential problems mating a too-young bull, but it worked for me.</p><p>By the time the calves were born and the cows reserviced, the bull was starting to push at fences, so off he went... (In the freezer — not your ideal, but again, it worked for me.)</p><p>So for the above operation, all in all, I just had to have the loading ramp and holding yard. And those I got cheap off a guy who was going alone and undercutting the others — he did a good job of setting it up for me, with a yard big enough for 5 and a ramp.</p><p>At a push — a probably insane push — you might be able to do AI in a horse float, if the divider bar was modified or added to? Just a thought.</p><p>As for temperament, I've got the cattle coming when called and standing for a pour-on drench, but they don't like it, and they will kick (my cows weren't really tamed fully, and aren't used to being touched). Teaching them to come to a bucket has the drawback that if you're in the paddock with a bucket but no food, they will get angry and try to knock you down. You seem to be approaching the taming part the right way.</p><p>Good luck with it and I hope my disconnected rant is helpful. :tiphat:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stripey, post: 647728, member: 9714"] Wow, finally one I can answer! Hi oakrunfarm — you're doing pretty much what I've done, even down to the belties. What I've found is that almost everything can be done in the paddock with cattle that will come when you call/feed. That's how I do worming and stuff like that, though obviously I'm reliant on pour-ons. But AI needs a crush/headbail. No doubt about that. You can make one in a holding yard on the long side (I would do it in rather than out — others might differ because of course an obstacle in a holding yard is a problem when pushing the cattle up the chute). But you will need that headbail. My father in law said I should have bought 2 farm gates and set them up parallel the width of the cattle, with one able to swing, both attached to strainers — I never got around to it and haven't worked out the headbail part, let alone whether farm gates would be strong enough. Probably cattle panels/gate would be better (better access too). But in the absence of AI, 2 years ago I put a weaner bull in with the cows, and when he was old enough he serviced them. He wasn't big enough to tread down a fence, but he could do the job. I know there are potential problems mating a too-young bull, but it worked for me. By the time the calves were born and the cows reserviced, the bull was starting to push at fences, so off he went... (In the freezer — not your ideal, but again, it worked for me.) So for the above operation, all in all, I just had to have the loading ramp and holding yard. And those I got cheap off a guy who was going alone and undercutting the others — he did a good job of setting it up for me, with a yard big enough for 5 and a ramp. At a push — a probably insane push — you might be able to do AI in a horse float, if the divider bar was modified or added to? Just a thought. As for temperament, I've got the cattle coming when called and standing for a pour-on drench, but they don't like it, and they will kick (my cows weren't really tamed fully, and aren't used to being touched). Teaching them to come to a bucket has the drawback that if you're in the paddock with a bucket but no food, they will get angry and try to knock you down. You seem to be approaching the taming part the right way. Good luck with it and I hope my disconnected rant is helpful. :tiphat: [/QUOTE]
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