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EPA says farm dust requires regulation

By MARCO SANTANA The Associated Press
Friday, February 27, 2009; 7:15 AM
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DES MOINES, Iowa -- Nothing says summer in Iowa like a cloud of dust behind a combine.
But what may be a fact of life for farmers is a cause for concern to federal regulators, who are refusing to exempt growers from new environmental regulations.
It's left some farmers feeling bemused and more than a little frustrated.
"It's such a non-commonsense idea that you can keep dust within a property line when the wind blows," said Sen. Charles Grassley, a member of the Senate Agriculture Committee who still farms in northeast Iowa .
Under rules imposed in 2006, rural areas would be kept to the same standards as urban areas for what the Environmental Protection Agency calls "coarse particulate matter" in the air.
The American Farm Bureau Federation and the National Pork Producers Council had petitioned the government to provide an exemption to farmers. They argued that evidence of harm caused by dust in rural areas hasn't been determined.
But the U.S. District Court of Appeals in Washington ruled Tuesday that the EPA had already provided the evidence necessary to determine farm dust "likely is not safe."
Michael Formica, a lawyer for the pork council, said this means farmers now face the daunting task of proving a negative _ that the dust is not harmful.
Formica said his and other groups will consider a further appeal.
Farmers said they will be hard-pressed to meet the standards.
In a letter sent Wednesday to the EPA, Grassley wrote that compliance would be impossible because of the dust produced in farmers' day-to-day activities.
Grassley also has noted that because many rural roads are not paved, particulate readings could be affected by wind gusts that constantly change.
"After all, God decides when the wind blows, not Chuck Grassley," he said.
But the EPA said the regulation was overdue.
Every five years, the Clean Air Act requires the agency to review the newest scientific information and recommend changes to its standards.
In 2006, the EPA determined larger particles in the air than previously thought were a danger to the public. The increased threshold covered air mixes that occur in rural areas.
EPA spokeswoman Cathy Milbourn said the changes are not just a matter of regulating dust. They serve the public's well-being and, regardless of whether someone lives in a rural or urban area, the threshold for unsafe levels of dust in the air must remain consistent nationally.
"It's health-based," she said. "We don't look at a particular industry. The goal is to protect public health."
When counties reach "non-attainment" levels, it becomes a state's responsibility to bring the county back into acceptable levels.
Milbourn said various options exist for states, such as retrofitting buses that run on diesel engines.
But farmers insist the regulation will affect their operations and eventually their bottom lines. And they said unlike fixing a bus, they have few options for limiting dust from their fields and roads.
Roger Zylstra, a director with the Iowa Corngrowers Association, said if left alone, farmers can compete worldwide. But regulation could impede their success.
He said there seems to be a disconnect between farmers and policymakers. (Ya think?)
"Many of the people that are making the rules, it feels like they really don't know what (farming) issues are," said Zylstra, a Lynnville resident who has worked on a farm for 35 years.
Zylstra said it's hard not to get frustrated.
"We think we've met the demands that have been put upon us and lo and behold, we have new and even more stringent demands. It seems really unrealistic."
© 2009 The Associated Press
 

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It seems to me that breathing air is still legal, as far as I know. Just about everything else you do is against the grain in some fashion or another.
 

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IluvABbeef":3t9sgra2 said:
EPA says farm dust requires regulation

By MARCO SANTANA The Associated Press
Friday, February 27, 2009; 7:15 AM
(Emphasis mine)

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Nothing says summer in Iowa like a cloud of dust behind a combine.
But what may be a fact of life for farmers is a cause for concern to federal regulators, who are refusing to exempt growers from new environmental regulations.
It's left some farmers feeling bemused and more than a little frustrated.
"It's such a non-commonsense idea that you can keep dust within a property line when the wind blows," said Sen. Charles Grassley, a member of the Senate Agriculture Committee who still farms in northeast Iowa .
Under rules imposed in 2006, rural areas would be kept to the same standards as urban areas for what the Environmental Protection Agency calls "coarse particulate matter" in the air.
The American Farm Bureau Federation and the National Pork Producers Council had petitioned the government to provide an exemption to farmers. They argued that evidence of harm caused by dust in rural areas hasn't been determined.
But the U.S. District Court of Appeals in Washington ruled Tuesday that the EPA had already provided the evidence necessary to determine farm dust "likely is not safe."
Michael Formica, a lawyer for the pork council, said this means farmers now face the daunting task of proving a negative _ that the dust is not harmful.
Formica said his and other groups will consider a further appeal.
Farmers said they will be hard-pressed to meet the standards.
In a letter sent Wednesday to the EPA, Grassley wrote that compliance would be impossible because of the dust produced in farmers' day-to-day activities.
Grassley also has noted that because many rural roads are not paved, particulate readings could be affected by wind gusts that constantly change.
"After all, God decides when the wind blows, not Chuck Grassley," he said.
But the EPA said the regulation was overdue.
Every five years, the Clean Air Act requires the agency to review the newest scientific information and recommend changes to its standards.
In 2006, the EPA determined larger particles in the air than previously thought were a danger to the public. The increased threshold covered air mixes that occur in rural areas.
EPA spokeswoman Cathy Milbourn said the changes are not just a matter of regulating dust. They serve the public's well-being and, regardless of whether someone lives in a rural or urban area, the threshold for unsafe levels of dust in the air must remain consistent nationally.
"It's health-based," she said. "We don't look at a particular industry. The goal is to protect public health."
When counties reach "non-attainment" levels, it becomes a state's responsibility to bring the county back into acceptable levels.
Milbourn said various options exist for states, such as retrofitting buses that run on diesel engines.
But farmers insist the regulation will affect their operations and eventually their bottom lines. And they said unlike fixing a bus, they have few options for limiting dust from their fields and roads.
Roger Zylstra, a director with the Iowa Corngrowers Association, said if left alone, farmers can compete worldwide. But regulation could impede their success.
He said there seems to be a disconnect between farmers and policymakers. (Ya think?)
"Many of the people that are making the rules, it feels like they really don't know what (farming) issues are," said Zylstra, a Lynnville resident who has worked on a farm for 35 years.
Zylstra said it's hard not to get frustrated.
"We think we've met the demands that have been put upon us and lo and behold, we have new and even more stringent demands. It seems really unrealistic."
© 2009 The Associated Press

ROFLOL!!

Shows one how stupid America is becoming. I have a solution:

The next time we have a launching of a space ship the following need to be put on it...with only a one way ticket...

  • 1. EPA activists
    2. Tree hugging activists
    3. Bottled water drinkers (most think they are too good to drink "real" water)
    4. Urbanites that move to "the country" who want to re-arrange the country to the city "standards"
    5. Political pork barrel activists
    6. PETA groups and its offshoots
    7. Health & fitness nuts
    8. All the other groups that want to change our heritage to "their" born again "religion"

There is also a lot of "clean air" at the North & South Poles...

Bottomline: If one doesn't like the air, landscape, animals, and other things in "the country"...then stay the frack out and cloister oneself in their city condo, apartment, or over-priced "status" house (that you probably can no longer afford the payments...)

:cowboy:
 

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They will use these regs to eventually shut down every feedlot of any size. I don't want to run around saying we are doomed, we are doomed, but I am awfully pessismistic.
 

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I'm afraid this kind of thing is going to become more and more common . The groups that support these kinds of things have a ton of money and use propaganda tactics very well . We're going to have our hands full fighting this type of thing .

Larry
 

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Relax...

Take a breather Karin.....

Go grab a few uni friends and go build a snowman outside in some sort of lewd, provocative or disturbing pose and then watch the reactions of people walking past it. :D

Need to have a little fun and forget the nonsense on the news. ;-)
 

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This is one of the reason's it's time for a revolution in this country, peaceful or not.
We the people are having laws enacted without representation by unelected officals that answer to special intrest groups. These organizations are destroying America making it where we can not compete and driving American jobs overseas. The area I live used to have a sawmill or chip mill in almost every town supporting the local economy, they are gone due to the EPA idiots.
It is time for term limits in Congress and the Senate the EPA and the IRS needs there teeth pulled as well.
We all know the tallest hog at the trough gets the most feed, I for one am tired of feeding these hogs.
I consider all the above terrorist organizations. We have lost our bearing.
 

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Caustic Burno":2f6ka06i said:
This is one of the reason's it's time for a revolution in this country, peaceful or not.
We the people are having laws enacted without representation by unelected officals that answer to special intrest groups. These organizations are destroying America making it where we can not compete and driving American jobs overseas. The area I live used to have a sawmill or chip mill in almost every town supporting the local economy, they are gone due to the EPA idiots.
It is time for term limits in Congress and the Senate the EPA and the IRS needs there teeth pulled as well.
We all know the tallest hog at the trough gets the most feed, I for one am tired of feeding these hogs.
I consider all the above terrorist organizations. We have lost our bearing.

:secret: You can't say that in public! :secret:

Next thing you know, you'll be saying that the bailout money was ill-advised.......... :nod:
 

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I agree that our government has lost its bearing but its not so much the laws themselves but the regulations created to fullfill the objectives of the laws. Everyone wants clean water or clean air and the politicians pat themselves on the back when they finally reach an agreement that these things are good. Since the laws they pass are merely pork carriers the wording is pretty vague. The specifics are left up to the eco-zealots and the entrenched government employees to create regulations to enforce these laws. This is done with little or no oversight and has created some nightmares. Of course since government spending is calculated as part of the GNP, they seem to feel this is good for the economy. :roll:
 

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There is a rollback trend right now to repeal many local laws. Just last p.m. on the news they were talking about a 4 year old city smoking ban in restaurants being put before voters.
 

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Realistically how can they stop the dust? it would stop farming. Tilling will cause dust, if no dust, it's likely to be to wet to be in the field. What about combines? imagine the cost of filtering the dust? :shock: I think even the NUTZ will have to come to their senses OR move agriculture to another country.
 

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mnmtranching":3mn0hed8 said:
Realistically how can they stop the dust? it would stop farming. Tilling will cause dust, if no dust, it's likely to be to wet to be in the field. What about combines? imagine the cost of filtering the dust? :shock: I think even the NUTZ will have to come to their senses OR move agriculture to another country.

I really don't think that they care if their food comes from Brazil.
 

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Caustic Burno":2nsnuoiw said:
This is one of the reason's it's time for a revolution in this country, peaceful or not.
We the people are having laws enacted without representation by unelected officals that answer to special intrest groups. These organizations are destroying America making it where we can not compete and driving American jobs overseas. The area I live used to have a sawmill or chip mill in almost every town supporting the local economy, they are gone due to the EPA idiots.
It is time for term limits in Congress and the Senate the EPA and the IRS needs there teeth pulled as well.
We all know the tallest hog at the trough gets the most feed, I for one am tired of feeding these hogs.
I consider all the above terrorist organizations. We have lost our bearing.

We did have a revolution. On November 4, 2008. Too bad you missed it. :D
 

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mnmtranching":21y8h1qi said:
Realistically how can they stop the dust? it would stop farming. Tilling will cause dust, if no dust, it's likely to be to wet to be in the field. What about combines? imagine the cost of filtering the dust? :shock: I think even the NUTZ will have to come to their senses OR move agriculture to another country.

A dozen deer ran through the field yesterday. Every time their feet hit the ground dust blew in the wind. This was across fields that are not suitable for crops with very little top soil. Nothing there but natural vegetation.

It is so dry the dust is just blowing by the wind itself.
 

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What about migratory patterns? Road work? Mowing the yard? Cars driving down my road, and it's paved! All these things cause dust.

Ever seen one of those pads they put a natural gas well on? Talk about dust! It turns the trees white and chokes everything around it. Dust storms?

You have to address all these issues if you are going to address one. I don't get where people are picking on agiculture. Do they not realize where food comes from?????
 

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Frankie":10dv2e77 said:
Caustic Burno":10dv2e77 said:
This is one of the reason's it's time for a revolution in this country, peaceful or not.
We the people are having laws enacted without representation by unelected officals that answer to special intrest groups. These organizations are destroying America making it where we can not compete and driving American jobs overseas. The area I live used to have a sawmill or chip mill in almost every town supporting the local economy, they are gone due to the EPA idiots.
It is time for term limits in Congress and the Senate the EPA and the IRS needs there teeth pulled as well.
We all know the tallest hog at the trough gets the most feed, I for one am tired of feeding these hogs.
I consider all the above terrorist organizations. We have lost our bearing.

We did have a revolution. On November 4, 2008. Too bad you missed it. :D

Our state did not partake in that one.
 

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backhoeboogie":j5w9gwgb said:
mnmtranching":j5w9gwgb said:
Realistically how can they stop the dust? it would stop farming. Tilling will cause dust, if no dust, it's likely to be to wet to be in the field. What about combines? imagine the cost of filtering the dust? :shock: I think even the NUTZ will have to come to their senses OR move agriculture to another country.

A dozen deer ran through the field yesterday. Every time their feet hit the ground dust blew in the wind. This was across fields that are not suitable for crops with very little top soil. Nothing there but natural vegetation.

It is so dry the dust is just blowing by the wind itself.

If you get a chance, watch "The Black Blizzard" on the history channel. Scarey stuff
 

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It wasn't a revolution on Nov 4 for freedom but a vote for socialism for people that cann't take care of themselves.
It is amazing at the Americans that drank the kool aid but then again look at all the ones that followed Jim Jones.
 

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Caustic Burno":pi568x0o said:
It wasn't a revolution on Nov 4 for freedom but a vote for socialism for people that cann't take care of themselves.
It is amazing at the Americans that drank the kool aid but then again look at all the ones that followed Jim Jones.

I can sort of understand somebody who lived in a govt subsidized apartment, buying his/her groceries with food stamps, riding a govt subsidized bus, getting govt paid for healthcare voting for the guy who promised them the biggest earned income tax credit. The sad thing is that a lot of people who actually DO real work, DO pay their bills, DO have significant investments, and who have reaped all the benefits of living in a free country voted for the Socialists.
 

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Brandonm22":1fo51cxa said:
Caustic Burno":1fo51cxa said:
It wasn't a revolution on Nov 4 for freedom but a vote for socialism for people that cann't take care of themselves.
It is amazing at the Americans that drank the kool aid but then again look at all the ones that followed Jim Jones.

I can sort of understand somebody who lived in a govt subsidized apartment, buying his/her groceries with food stamps, riding a govt subsidized bus, getting govt paid for healthcare voting for the guy who promised them the biggest earned income tax credit. The sad thing is that a lot of people who actually DO real work, DO pay their bills, DO have significant investments, and who have reaped all the benefits of living in a free country voted for the Socialists.

It's kinda difficult these days to scare people with names, slogans, etc. Too many have seen their 401Ks, kid's college funds, jobs, and access to heath care disappear. They just don't react to those scare tactics like they used to. What, oh, what is this country coming to? :???:
 
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