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Thinking of "Unregistering" A Few--Advice?
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<blockquote data-quote="SPH" data-source="post: 1400742" data-attributes="member: 20580"><p>You are entitled to your opinion but as a seedstock breeder we sure as heck don't want the reputation of having a herd with known genetics defects let alone selling animals that are carriers as that is bad for business. So say what you want but I don't find that to be "clueless" at all to have the mindset and management practice that if a known defect was detected in an animal in our herd we would just "manage" a recessive genetic defect gene. Culling it out would be the responsible thing to do to prevent it from replicating and potentially introducing it into it to someone else's herd if you sold an animal that was a carrier. Now if the guy above decides that the females he has tested positive for the defect that he won't retain any females by her and all her calves will be terminal calves that is perfectly fine if that is how he chooses to manage the defect as it is not allowing it to replicate nor leave his farm. Unfortunately some guys aren't as honest as that though and choosing not to register a purebred in order to avoid testing for defects is like turning a blind eye on a problem you know exists. Just because you are choosing to ignore it doesn't mean the problem goes away.</p><p></p><p>Nesikep: If we bought a $4000 cow from a reputable breeder (which as a purebred breeder that's the only way we would even buy a female not raised by us) and she tested positive for a genetic defect you would bet not only would we cull her but we'd be going back to that breeder to let them know we expect compensation for selling us an animal that is a carrier of a genetic defect. Yeah it would suck to spend that much on a cow you get no use out of but considering the costs and damage you could do to your own program and potentially others if you keep passing the defect onto future generations that is something you would just have to chalk up as a bad purchase and move on. Most reputable breeders would likely make good on their sale and either replace her with a comparable animal or refund you but I bet most would want to know about a defect so they could do some more testing in their own herd so they can identify the carriers and don't continue to replicate it and sell animals that are carriers. I know we would do the same if we had sold one that later was tested positive as a carrier. We DNA test all our sale bulls and we wouldn't think twice about sending one to slaughter no matter how good he might be if he came back as a known carrier of a defect because it would essentially make him impossible to sell. We'd probably have his dam tested too and start the process of identifying where he got the defect from as we would already know that his sire would be free of defects since he would have already been DNA tested in order to register a calf sired by him.</p><p></p><p>I can't speak for what other breeds have in place but I know that the AHA has a standard set of terms and conditions that most sales and breeders abide by which can be found here: <a href="http://hereford.org/node/319" target="_blank">http://hereford.org/node/319</a> If you scroll down the page you will find a section specifically about genetic defects. While there is some room for interpretation most reputable breeders will guarantee their seedstock free of genetic defects and mostly likely have already DNA tested them for them prior to sale, bulls especially have come under the most scrutiny for this as they are required to be DNA tested now in order to register calves out of them.</p><p></p><p>If someone believes that "managing" genetic defects vs removing them from your program is fine then by all means you have the right to make your own choices regarding that as it is a free world for you to do so. If you are just raising terminal cattle it probably won't matter but if you are selling seedstock that is a dangerous approach to take unless you are testing every single animal on your farm in order to be confident that you are not selling a carrier to someone. That's our stance on that, you can choose to disagree with it but I have a feeling that a lot of guys would rather do business with someone who is proactive about testing for defects and has an established reputation for doing things the right and honest way than someone who is OK with having those traits in their program and doesn't show much concern for them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SPH, post: 1400742, member: 20580"] You are entitled to your opinion but as a seedstock breeder we sure as heck don't want the reputation of having a herd with known genetics defects let alone selling animals that are carriers as that is bad for business. So say what you want but I don't find that to be "clueless" at all to have the mindset and management practice that if a known defect was detected in an animal in our herd we would just "manage" a recessive genetic defect gene. Culling it out would be the responsible thing to do to prevent it from replicating and potentially introducing it into it to someone else's herd if you sold an animal that was a carrier. Now if the guy above decides that the females he has tested positive for the defect that he won't retain any females by her and all her calves will be terminal calves that is perfectly fine if that is how he chooses to manage the defect as it is not allowing it to replicate nor leave his farm. Unfortunately some guys aren't as honest as that though and choosing not to register a purebred in order to avoid testing for defects is like turning a blind eye on a problem you know exists. Just because you are choosing to ignore it doesn't mean the problem goes away. Nesikep: If we bought a $4000 cow from a reputable breeder (which as a purebred breeder that's the only way we would even buy a female not raised by us) and she tested positive for a genetic defect you would bet not only would we cull her but we'd be going back to that breeder to let them know we expect compensation for selling us an animal that is a carrier of a genetic defect. Yeah it would suck to spend that much on a cow you get no use out of but considering the costs and damage you could do to your own program and potentially others if you keep passing the defect onto future generations that is something you would just have to chalk up as a bad purchase and move on. Most reputable breeders would likely make good on their sale and either replace her with a comparable animal or refund you but I bet most would want to know about a defect so they could do some more testing in their own herd so they can identify the carriers and don't continue to replicate it and sell animals that are carriers. I know we would do the same if we had sold one that later was tested positive as a carrier. We DNA test all our sale bulls and we wouldn't think twice about sending one to slaughter no matter how good he might be if he came back as a known carrier of a defect because it would essentially make him impossible to sell. We'd probably have his dam tested too and start the process of identifying where he got the defect from as we would already know that his sire would be free of defects since he would have already been DNA tested in order to register a calf sired by him. I can't speak for what other breeds have in place but I know that the AHA has a standard set of terms and conditions that most sales and breeders abide by which can be found here: [url=http://hereford.org/node/319]http://hereford.org/node/319[/url] If you scroll down the page you will find a section specifically about genetic defects. While there is some room for interpretation most reputable breeders will guarantee their seedstock free of genetic defects and mostly likely have already DNA tested them for them prior to sale, bulls especially have come under the most scrutiny for this as they are required to be DNA tested now in order to register calves out of them. If someone believes that "managing" genetic defects vs removing them from your program is fine then by all means you have the right to make your own choices regarding that as it is a free world for you to do so. If you are just raising terminal cattle it probably won't matter but if you are selling seedstock that is a dangerous approach to take unless you are testing every single animal on your farm in order to be confident that you are not selling a carrier to someone. That's our stance on that, you can choose to disagree with it but I have a feeling that a lot of guys would rather do business with someone who is proactive about testing for defects and has an established reputation for doing things the right and honest way than someone who is OK with having those traits in their program and doesn't show much concern for them. [/QUOTE]
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